Second Toughest In The Infants Deluxe/Super Deluxe 2015

[vacant]

Just spotted this on Apple Music... there's an album up for Pre-Order in iTunes too, with a release date of 20 November 2015
https://geo.itunes.apple.com/gb/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1034094477?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes

There's also a Deluxe edition as well as the standard Remastered version

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The 20th anniversary remaster of Second Toughest in the Infants is released today!

If you purchase it using one of our affiliate links below, Born Dirty will get a small commission from the retailer. It's a way to support the running of this site, at no cost to you. (iTunes links will be available in a couple days.)

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Remastered Album
1x CD: Amazon UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B013YN13V4/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B013YN13V4&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), Amazon US (http://amzn.to/1S9mZSB)
2x LP vinyl: Amazon UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0144VVT14/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B0144VVT14&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), Amazon US (http://amzn.to/1Msugvk)
Digital: iTunes UK (https://geo.itunes.apple.com/gb/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1034094477?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes), Amazon MP3 UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B014IU7ZVO/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B014IU7ZVO&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), iTunes US (https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1050300024?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes), Amazon MP3 US (http://amzn.to/1MstpdY)

Disc 1 - Remastered Album
1. Juanita: Kiteless: To Dream Of Love
2. Banstyle / Sappys Curry
3. Confusion the Waitress
4. Rowla
5. Pearl’s Girl
6. Air Towel
7. Blueski
8. Stagger


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Deluxe Edition
2x CD: Amazon UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B013YN12LA/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B013YN12LA&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), Amazon US (http://amzn.to/1MstgHv)
Digital: iTunes UK (https://geo.itunes.apple.com/gb/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1034110957?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes), Amazon MP3 UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B014IU50EI/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B014IU50EI&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), iTunes US (https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1050285607?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes), Amazon MP3 US (http://amzn.to/1Msttuq)

Includes Disc 1 and
Disc 2: Singles, B sides, Remixes
1. Cherry Pie
2. Oich Oich
3. Puppies
4. Mosaic
5. Deep Arch
6. Pearl’s Girl (Tin There)
7. Pearl’s Girl (14996 Version)
8. Born Slippy (Original Instrumental Version)
9. Born Slippy.Nuxx (Deep Pan)


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Super Deluxe Box Set
4x CD: Amazon UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0144VVT96/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B0144VVT96&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), Amazon US (http://amzn.to/1MstkXR)
Digital: iTunes UK (https://geo.itunes.apple.com/gb/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1034124502?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes), Amazon MP3 UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B014IU9986/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B014IU9986&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), iTunes US (https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1050279458?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes), Amazon MP3 US (http://amzn.to/1Mstw9B)

Includes Discs 1, 2, and
Disc 3: previously unreleased material
1. Bug
2. Confusion The Waitress (She Said)
3. D+B Thing
4. D’Arbly St
5. 4 Crowns
6. Rowla A1806
7. Bing Here
8. Techno Thang
9. Pearls Ver2
10. Bloody 1

Disc 4: Born Slippy (Nuxx) evolution – unreleased demos, live recordings
1. Nuxx A1796
2. Nuxx A2221 UW live (2 sets) Leicester M Dog 94
3. Nuxx A4712 Live @ Zap club Brighton Feb94
4. Nuxx A4733 UW live Amsterdam Apr94
5. Nuxx Liquid Room 94 A2254 UW Live Liquid Room 2 Tokyo
6. Nuxx from A1825
7. Born Slippy (Nuxx)

[mark3]

Great news! Listening to 'Techno Thang' now (only the sample, cannot buy the track for some reason).
Hopefully this is not itunes only...

Edit: More info on the shop page http://underworld.tmstor.es/

[Troy McClure]

I haven't been able to locate the iTunes link on the US store, but I just heard the sample of 'Techno Thang' on the UK digital iTunes.....Very, very nice. Sounds like a precursor to 'Air Towel', which I was hoping to hear. ---Jason

[BrotherLovesDub]

Disc 3 looks exciting with all the unreleased tracks.

[jetpig]

We're just over 2 months from release and no official announcement? I'd be a little skeptical on the date if not for it being in multiple locations. No glaring omissions from the b-side disc, but no surprises either. A few of those NUXX versions appear to be from live sets, curious to see if any of those are already floating around the tracker. Wonder if a STitI tour will follow or if they'll rest and forge ahead on new material. Looking forward to what's to come!

[Mike]

We knew this would happen, but I am really excited about this! Finally we can get some insight into the process of making STITI.

Some early NUXX live versions included:

Nuxx (From A4712 / Live At Zap Club, Brighton / 1994 / Remastered)
Nuxx (From A4733 / UW Live, Amsterdam / 1994 / Remastered)
Nuxx (From A2254 / Live At Liquid Room 2, Tokyo / 1994 / Remastered)

[khouri]

I am thrilled to learn of this but I am completely baffled as to why they keep adding these hideous colors to their album covers. These are two of th best album covers of all time and they come in bright yellow and whTever color STITI is now.

[Dirty0900]

STITI played out live would be an amazing thing. Especially with the amount of b-sides associated with the release era.

[stimpee]

What Andy said. I hate these covers. Box set will be amazing though.

[TheBang]

This looks really great, overall. I'm very excited.

Notable omissions from the remasters:

Telematic
Carp Dreams... Koi

And, I would really have liked to have gotten a digital version of long Rowla. I should probably voice these wishes earlier in the remaster process. Time to figure out requests now for Beaucoup Fish?

So, a full disc of unreleased material, that sounds great. I'm surprised that there's so much available; moreso than even the Dubno era.

And, I am also excited about the Nuxx evolution disc. I like following their process, like, for example, Phonestrap, or Cowgirl on the Dubno deluxe. We know from the Tramway gig that Nuxx went through a lot of changes, BUT we don't have any other recordings of it from 1994, so it'll be great to hear all those early versions as they worked it out on stage.

I do wish we had another disc with a full live show like the Dubno deluxe (and the fact that there are soundboard (?) recordings from those four early 94 gigs is tantalizing), but I'm pretty happy with what we're getting.

[Dirty0900]

This really needs to be a time for Five Points to be released.

[Lx_Nen]

The track listing looks great (even if the orange box is a bit odd), but like other people here, I wish there was even more audio, going down from 5 discs in the Dubno box to 4 is a bit of a disappointment. I agree that adding a live set from this era would have been even better, as they were really stunning live at the time. I don't mind it not being a completist set with all the 7" edits, b-sides and slight variations but Carp Dreams Koi, Telematic, the long Rowla and the edit of Juanita would have been nice to have on CD as they are all pretty hard to get hold of.

The amount of experimentation and layering up of different parts together on stage they were doing at the time was phenomenal - there was an amazing gig at (I think) the Kentish town forum around the time STITI was released here they played 2 sets, one more experimental/DnB (mostly from STITI) and the other more traditional (mostly from Dubno) - even just the first half of this gig would have made a great expansion to the box...

Actually, come to think of it, you know what would have made a great CD5/6 for this? Bootleg Babies or 'European Club gig' but remastered from proper recordings.

Let's hope there's a 'saved from the cutting room floor' from this one too!

[saintrik]

1 Juanita: Kiteless: To Dream of Love (Remastered) 16:36
2 Banstyle / Sappys Curry (Remastered) 15:22
3 Confusion the Waitress (Remastered) 6:47
4 Rowla (Remastered) 6:31
5 Pearl’s Girl (Remastered) 9:37
6 Air Towel (Remastered) 7:37
7 Blueski (Remastered) 3:03
8 Stagger (Remastered) 7:36

1 Cherry Pie (Remastered) 8:25
2 Oich Oich (Remastered) 8:34
3 Puppies (Remastered) 3:53
4 Mosaic (Remastered) 5:00
5 Deep Arch (Remastered) 8:24
6 Pearls Girl (Tin There) [Remastered] 8:16
7 Pearls Girl (14996 Version / Remastered) 9:05
8 Born Slippy (Instrumental Version / Remastered) 8:31
9 Born Slippy.Nuxx (Deep Pan / Remastered) 9:58

1 Bug (Remastered) 6:55
2 Confusion the Waitress (She Said) (Remastered) 4:53
3 D+B Thing (Remastered) 7:16
4 D’Arbly St (Remastered) 7:34
5 4 Crowns (Remastered) 2:17
6 Rowla A1806 (Remastered) 3:58
7 Bing Here (Remastered) 9:43
8 Techno Thang (Remastered) 6:26
9 Pearls (Version 2 / Remastered) 8:10
10 Bloody 1 (Remastered) 16:13

1 Nuxx (From A1796 / Remastered) 8:44
2 Nuxx (From A2221 / UW Live, Leicester / 1994 / Remastered) 12:33
3 Nuxx (From A4712 / Live At Zap Club, Brighton / 1994 / Remastered) 11:31
4 Nuxx (From A4733 / UW Live, Amsterdam / 1994 / Remastered) 9:21
5 Nuxx (From A2254 / Live At Liquid Room 2, Tokyo / 1994 / Remastered) 11:31
6 Nuxx (From A1825 / Remastered) 6:11
7 Born Slippy (Nuxx / Remastered) 11:45

[dubman]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA– ok, we "knew" it was coming but still, STILL!
what the hell is on that third disc? why isn't five points on it? is it 4 crowns? is that rowla the long one? how are there people who dont like the new dubnobass colors? so many goddamn questions!

[Geo]

What a scoop :D can't wait to order the over-the-top-deluxe edition ;)

But yes, the uw hq fails in announcing this properly :)

[Lx_Nen]

Looks to me like it wasn't supposed to appear today, it's vanished from the UW store.

[holden]

Guess someone leaked the news early?

Still, a welcome preview. Discs 3 and 4 should be epic listens.

PS if its not too early for Beacoup requests, a long studio quality jam of Cappe Pfuno (spelling?); we only have the live jam from Blue Mountain, AUS mixed with Please Help Me. That track has relentless legs for me.

[TheBang]

why isn't five points on it?
That would be more of a beaucoup fish track. Get in your requests now!

[dubman]

i can't imagine the BF archives would be much fun to go through

[Mike]

PS if its not too early for Beacoup requests, a long studio quality jam of Cappe Pfuno (spelling?); we only have the live jam from Blue Mountain, AUS mixed with Please Help Me. That track has relentless legs for me.

It was also played (in part) at Pukkelpop 2000 with Leave Home and elements of Spikee.

[kontakt1968]

Great news, wonder if there will be a RHF type gig /or mini tour.

[Spooky Shoes]

It's up on Universal Japan, there don't seem to be any additional tracks...

http://www.universal-music.co.jp/underworld/products/uicy-77530

[Spooky Shoes]

2CD version...

http://www.universal-music.co.jp/underworld/products/uicy-15440/

[Lx_Nen]

4CD with badly translated track listing in the style of that Aphex Twin press release: http://www.universal-music.co.jp/underworld/products/uicy-77530/

Blue Ski and van Style / Sapizu Curry anyone?

[khouri]

I'm more excited to hear disc 3 of this release than any new album by any artist in years. Holy shit. And I really hope there's a Cutting Room Floor mix for this one too.

But Underworld! A live soundboard recording please! The Dubno rehearsal disc is AMAZING.

[King of Snake]

The cutting room floor mix was also my favourite of the extra materials for the dubno re-release, even though it wasn't actually part of the release ;)

[crank]

Yeah, i'm not really excited by the prospect of a whole disc of NUXX.

[jetpig]

Seconded on both previous posts. Cutting room floor mix was fantastic, easily my most listened to content from dnbwmhm remaster. I like the idea of a disc of progression of a song, and i understand why nuxx, but nuxx really isnt very high on my list of favorite tracks.

[jetpig]

Also noting that while the dubno live disc wasnt remastered the nuxx disc and unreleased disc are.

[woofmute]

There's what sounds like a very faint voice at the end of Sappy's Curry, hopefully the remaster makes this more audible and doesn't get rid of it.

[Lx_Nen]

Strange teaser thing: http://player.socialpromote.co.uk/c7fcdcff-4f55-e511-80da-d4ae52d2b5d8

20.11.2015 Cats are gathering outside your window.

[Lx_Nen]

Now live on the UW shop.

There's a free download of Born Slippy (original) (which sounds a bit over-compressed to me on a first listen) and "Techno Thing" (which is really nice) if you pre-order, which I did despite it being £5 more than Dubno for 1 CD less than Dubno. Well, at least it's not quite as orange as the first pics made it look...

There's also a set of 6 x 7" Tomato Art Prints, limited to 50, for £75, and a bundle with a t-shirt. If these were anything to do with the original artwork, I'd have been interested, but the designs didn't push my buttons. There is an original artwork t-shirt, but it's bundled with the 2CD not the 4CD.

[the real stuff]

Fantastic, the deluxe package I want most. Pre-ordered immediately.

Completely gouged on shipping though, knocked the wind out of me:

http://puu.sh/ketoY/236d2c3804.png

:eek: my wallet!

[darkvoice]

Great stuff, my first encounter with UW was because of this album. Loved it... I hope Rick did as much effort on this remaster as he has on the Dubno. Using orginal midi files etc... This will spice up the quality of the record for sure.

I wish they've changed Underworldlive into a subscription service. Pay a fee per month and receive digital copies of demos / remixed / live / weird stuff etc... There is a lot more than the 2 CD's of raraties in the deluxe box.

Mmmm....

[WhiteNoise]

Strange teaser thing: http://player.socialpromote.co.uk/c7fcdcff-4f55-e511-80da-d4ae52d2b5d8

20.11.2015 Cats are gathering outside your window.

I poked around in the source of the website and found that there's a video to be unlocked not currently on the page. I'm guessing it will be revealed in the future.


Right now the video is just "Placeholder Video" which appears to be... a womb simulation?

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ScMzIvxBSi4?autohide=1&showinfo=0

[froopy seal]

Fantastic, the deluxe package I want most. Pre-ordered immediately. Completely gouged on shipping though, knocked the wind out of me: http://puu.sh/ketoY/236d2c3804.png :eek: my wallet!
Fully agree. Was even more than 50 pound on my order. That's crazy and outrageous.

Completed my order anyway, of course.

[TheBang]

Strange teaser thing: http://player.socialpromote.co.uk/c7fcdcff-4f55-e511-80da-d4ae52d2b5d8
Which puts to rest the debate about whether it's trees or strays that are homeless...

[negative1]

looking forward to the unreleased tracks.

figured they arent trying to be completists anymore.

wonder if there is bluray audio or surround mix coming out.

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[mothra]

I live in the UK just over Offas dyke and was just going to pre-order until I noticed that postage was £12 on-top of £75! Perhaps it is being delivered in an armoured vehicle????

Come on! I love you Underworld but get a grip on the Merc people you have hired, thats just plain foolish.:(

[DaddyAdv]

.... despite it being £5 more than Dubno for 1 CD less than Dubno. . It says in details:

"The increased retail price charged here as compared to dubnobasswithmyheadman is a result of additional paper and packaging costs incurred by our label partner, Universal Music in achieving our design spec."

[Mike]

Just a reminder that like the dubno remaster, the digital "high quality mp3" that you get on the release date is just the original album (not the other stuff). There were a couple of disappointed folks last time because they thought they were getting the whole lot in a digital format.

I have published a summary of the pre order links here:

http://www.borndirty.org/news/underworld/2015/0917-second-toughest-in-the-infants-remaster-pre-order-round-up/

[joethelion]

hmmm... first reaction HOLY SHIT THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME!!!

then I quickly calmed down, and realized that this doesn't include the long version of Rowla (and a couple of other things, like Juantia (Edit) and Emerson's mix of 'Confusion' (but... I guess that one's more understandable)

but this could still be pretty interesting.

I do have to say though... I feel like the full disc of Nuxx versions seems more like a "special download for those who buy the 'ultra deluxe expensive box version" type of thing, than a "this is an additional cd, which makes the release an expensive box verison"

Know what I mean? - like the bonus downloads from Richie Hawtin's 'plastikman' box set or the "extra disc" for the Depeche Mode remix collection

having said all of that - I might still actually be more excited for this release than Dubno
it's all about disc three

Also - hi guys, I haven't been around in a while...

[negative1]

Just a reminder that like the dubno remaster, the digital "high quality mp3" that you get on the release date is just the original album (not the other stuff). There were a couple of disappointed folks last time because they thought they were getting the whole lot in a digital format.

I have published a summary of the pre order links here:

http://www.borndirty.org/2015/09/second-toughest-in-the-infants-remaster-pre-order-round-up/


i have it as 'thang' not 'thing'.
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8 Techno Thang (Remastered) 6:26

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[BrotherLovesDub]

Hey Joe, totally agree with your assessment of the NUXX disc. The price to ship to the US for this thing is outrageous considering we're getting a disc of NUXX. It could turn out to be the best disc in the box. We'll see.

[Mike]

i have it as 'thang' not 'thing'.
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8 Techno Thang (Remastered) 6:26

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Interesting... The Underworld shop has the download listed as "Underworld - Techno Thing" and the shop pages say the same (I have quoted directly from the shop pages). I would be inclined to leave it as "Techno Thang" like you have it, its probably a typo and it will be cleared up once we see the credits.

[kagenaki koe]

Sooo, the only shirt size options are S and XS. no love for big fatties like me?:(:D

[Lx_Nen]

For what it's worth, the file name and ID3 data both say Thing not Thang.

[vacant]

The metadata on iTunes both said Thang. Could be a typo

[Lx_Nen]

So, it's Thing in the UW shop and Thang on iTunes... odd!

[holden]

I have published a summary of the pre order links here:

http://www.borndirty.org/2015/09/second-toughest-in-the-infants-remaster-pre-order-round-up/


Thanks for this. Nice to have options.

Yeah, with the insane cost of shipping to the US, i think i will just do the 4 disc box and forgo the t-shirt bundle. Love UW as much as anyone, but it all adds up.
I've ordered stuff from the UK where the shipping has been more than the item list price!

Really excited for disc 3, and the remaster as well. Maybe i have badly mastered discs, but the two STITI CDs i have always need to be played with the volume WAY UP. Like, the opposite of the brickwall eq of latter years.

[mickstafa]

So for the super deluxe and a shirt, it's over $50 to ship to US. That's insane. I'm a massive UW fan, but I'm going to wait until it hits Amazon I think. Their merchandise vendor really is gouging the shipping.

[Billy Goat]

I was just listening to Lowlands Festival 26/8/1995 and I wonder if the different "She said" lyrics between 2mins and 4mins in Born Slippy are what is going to be on the new Confusion the Waitress (She Said) track on disc 3.
Have to say, and although I might be the only one, I love the new colourful versions of the artwork and can't wait for the NUXX evolution disc as I have always preferred the Glasgow Sound City 94 version (I never get tired of that siren and I don't know why they didn't put it on the outro of the studio version) so I hope one of the versions on disc 4 is the same!

[potatobroth]

i'll be grabbing this from iTunes I think. I have the Dubno super-deluxe box and its just hiding out in a closet. The $50 shipping seals the deal.

[kagenaki koe]

Sooo, the only shirt size options are S and XS. no love for big fatties like me?:(:D

whew, checked again and all the sizes are available.

Pre-ordered the 4cd + shirt bundle and the vinyl, shipping came out to about $60 (while still expensive, it's not much more than just the super deluxe + shirt WITHOUT the vinyl)

Compared to last year, I ordered a similar set, while this is more expensive you do get a shirt (and 1 less cd) so it's not too bad

I don't plan on buying all the remasters of UW's albums and there were less UW b-sides/remixes released after the first two albums anyway so my pocket should be safe for the next few years:p

[jetpig]

Maybe i have badly mastered discs, but the two STITI CDs i have always need to be played with the volume WAY UP. Like, the opposite of the brickwall eq of latter years. nope, they're all like that, non remaster dubno, too.

The shirt is about the only thing that's gonna keep me on uwlive as opposed to amazon, I think.

[joethelion]

hmm... that does seem high for shipping (mmmaybe I'll wait for it to go on Amazon)

but I do really like that shirt - then again... how often am I really going to wear a graphic tee? Also, my UW 'dogboy' shirt shrunk really weirdly (especially the arms), and it looks like it's the same brand of shirt (judging by the collar)

[holden]

I'm much more excited for the unreleased/works in progress tracks than for the disc full of NUXX. Yeah, it's their signature tune. But how much can you dig into the live evolution? (This from a guy who did a NUXX megamix and has a lot of bootlegs). Maybe I'll be surprised. I remember buying a Moby Best Of with a full disc of "Move" remixes... As nd hey, they were all pretty different and unique.

I love UW, all phases and output, I do. But Beacoup Fish has always been my favorite era. Looking forward to hearing that set most.

[stimpee]

It says in details: "The increased retail price charged here as compared to dubnobasswithmyheadman is a result of additional paper and packaging costs incurred by our label partner, Universal Music in achieving our design spec."Prices leaked on the 11th were:
Super Deluxe & album artwork T-Shirt – £70.00
Deluxe 2CD & album artwork T-Shirt – £35.00
Vinyl & album artwork T-Shirt – £40.00

Great news, wonder if there will be a RHF type gig /or mini tour.Would be in favour of that, just not at the RHF. The sound was bloody awful at the back.

Postage costs are insulting. Can almost fly to the UK to pick it up instead. That on top of the increased price from the Dubno set, and the extra fiver since the leak. I'm not a NUXX fan at all so a whole CD of NUXX is a bit much.

Mustn't grumble though. New stuff et al.

[happiness stan]

Postage costs are insulting.

Have gone from definitely buying the Super Deluxe to making do with the iTunes downloads.
As much as I love the album, can't justify that cost.

[potatobroth]

hmm... that does seem high for shipping (mmmaybe I'll wait for it to go on Amazon)

but I do really like that shirt - then again... how often am I really going to wear a graphic tee? Also, my UW 'dogboy' shirt shrunk really weirdly (especially the arms), and it looks like it's the same brand of shirt (judging by the collar)


My UW Britxon shirt shrunk in a weird way too. Its a shame because that was absolutely my favorite UW shirt.

[potatobroth]

Which puts to rest the debate about whether it's trees or strays that are homeless...

Lol. this was one of the only lyrics debates i was 100% sure of; yannick wouldn't even entertain 'strays' as an option.

[Geo]

Have gone from definitely buying the Super Deluxe to making do with the iTunes downloads.
As much as I love the album, can't justify that cost.

Me too. P&P costs are ridiculously steep.
Quite a disappointment, to see that uw hq just don't manage to create a proper online shop. Again a missed opportunity IMHO.

Might save up the money for a STITI gig tho :D

[twicezero]

http://store.hmv.com/music/cd/second-toughest-in-the-infants-(1)

28 quid if you are in the UK...

[Lx_Nen]

So it's £27.99 with free postage from HMV or £65.00 including postage from the official shop?

I'm all in favour of supporting the band, but this is just ridiculous. Ordered at HMV, cancelled at Underworldlive.

[negative1]

from the superdeluxe comments:

Apparently a Japanese super deluxe edition is set for release (on 2015-11-20), but without any additional material: “The contents of this release will be identical to the worldwide release, except for SHM-CD format, which is the exclusive feature for this Japanese edition.”
— source: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UICY-77530

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[Cadevil]

$129 Amazon Prime US

[happiness stan]

So it's £27.99 with free postage from HMV or £65.00 including postage from the official shop?

I'm all in favour of supporting the band, but this is just ridiculous. Ordered at HMV, cancelled at Underworldlive.

Holy crap, that is just f**king stupid.
It might have to live at my sisters house 'till I visit, but for £47 less, I can live with that.

[jetpig]

http://proxy.myembers.com/ is a shipping proxy based in the UK that will ship internationally. Basically you pay them a £5 commission and shipping costs and they will receive your item in the UK and forward it to you, wherever you are. Conservatively going this route with HMV saves me $45 off the UWLive shop. I now get to seriously weigh the costs of the lack of the shirt and not giving my money directly to the band...

[skyscraper101]

Shirt can be bought separately of course which is what I will be doing.

http://underworld.tmstor.es/cart/product.php?id=26210

[whatmakesustick]

So it's £27.99 with free postage from HMV or £65.00 including postage from the official shop?

I'm all in favour of supporting the band, but this is just ridiculous. Ordered at HMV, cancelled at Underworldlive.

Wow, just seen this post. I ordered on the official store immediately even though the shipping costs were high. But I did not for one second think the cost of the product itself would by nearly twice as much.

Now I have a problem with my account and can't even cancel my order......:mad:

I really don't think that the official site should use an official store that charges fans so much more. Especially as it's more likely that 'real fans' (you know what I mean) probably come via underworldlive.com and HMV or Amazon etc.

Edit: maybe its a HMV mistake, as its on Amazon for £65. Strange.

[markreed]

I only ordered from the UW store for Dubno because of the RFH ticket links.

STITI from HMV for me.

And a whole disc of Nuxx? It's a great track, but can't they do something... different?

There's a ton of stuff not on DNBWMHM 5CD I was thinking might be on the STITI remaster... which it isn't. There's a ton of stuff that - just like DNBWMHM - isn't on this. So really we're laying down a ton of cash for 1CD of things we haven't heard before and a bunch of live jams of "Nuxx".

Not even an official remaster of "European Club Gig". (Good thing I have a copy of that rare groove). Not even a DVD of promos - which really,given the time period and the mail order VHS 'Kiteless', would be an obvious release.

Why don't they release more stuff (a CD is dirt cheap to press, and even a single extra CD with 80 minutes of music would make it much more attractive, let alone 2 CD's)? Or better yet, make those full gigs which they clearly have in storage, downloadable with an order of the mega box set?

Another set of missed opportunities... but of course, I'll buy it, and I'll go to the gigs, and love it.

[Lx_Nen]

I'm actually really looking forward to the nuxx disc, I've always been fascinated by how their tracks develop over time. I sort of wish it went beyond the released version and covered the way it's continued to develop over the years - the added siren, pwm wiggle, the chords being moved to the middle, the euphoric piano arps (used a lot less recently) all add a lot to the track.

I do wish there was a lot more audio content though. There's room for whole extra 4CD box with the omitted harder to find b-sides and mixes, kiteless on DVD and 2 discs of "European Club Gig"/"Bootleg Babies" era live tracks. I think the more hardcore fans would be happier paying £65 for that than £28 for a box that's 50% tracks we already have.

[khouri]

Come onnnnnn Rick, just one more disc of goodies. We know you've got it.

New Order added an extra disc of rarities to the Retro box because fans asked for it. Pleeeeaaaase.

[whatmakesustick]

Does any one know if the HMV £28 4CD set, is exactly the same as the £55 super deluxe on the official site?

I ask because the HMV description is not 'super deluxe'....

[Fabien]

Can't help but notice the absence of Born Slippy Telematic...

[Mike]

Does any one know if the HMV £28 4CD set, is exactly the same as the £55 super deluxe on the official site?

I ask because the HMV description is not 'super deluxe'....

I have pre-ordered at HMV just in case.. With free delivery, it works out less than half the price of the Underworld shop! Someone in HMV has obv made a mistake, it won't be long before that price gets adjusted.

I won't cancel my Underworld shop pre-order yet just in case HMV decide to pull it from their store.

Also, I have noticed HMV are advertising a 13th November release date?

[Dirty0900]

So the 4CD is cheaper on HMV? I can ditch a tshirt for a massively cheaper price to be fair.

[Mike]

The 4cd with UK postage from UW Shop is £65!

HMV are selling for £27.

£38 cheaper = No brainer!

Unless they decide to send out a unique prints or photographs with the UW Shop orders, which I doubt.

[TheBang]

Well, they'll likely have a new postcard that they'll send. I've got a nice collection of those now. Is it worth the extra £38 though?

[Dirty0900]

HMV it is.

[jetpig]

HMV is showing 59 GBP now.

edit: also techno thang vs thing... it's listed both ways on this page. one under tracklisting the other under file name: http://underworld.tmstor.es/cart/product.php?id=25941

[holden]

If someone finds an outlet that ships to the US at an inexpensive rate, please let me/us know.
I'm fine to pay the price for product, but when shipping costs almost as much as product, that's unacceptable.

[gaborez]

Have you tried recordstore.co.uk for US shipping? I was looking there for UK and though the deluxe 4cd is £5 more expensive than uw, the basic shipping was only £4 (courier £7) so it worked out cheaper. I just tried changing my address to US and basic shipping stays at £4 and courier £20. This could be me being a muppet but may be worth a look?

I cancelled my uw live order and went for hmv when it was cheap...

[jetpig]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0144VVT96?gwSec=1&redirect=true&ref_=s9_simh_gw_p15_d2_i1

$109.99 with free shipping.

[saintrik]

For US Buyers: I've always found it less expensive in the US to order directly from Amazon UK as opposed to the Amazon US store for import items.

With the STITI Deluxe Box it works out like this with shipping:

Amazon UK
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0144VVT96
Item(s) Subtotal: £54.16
Postage & Packing: £3.08
Total Before VAT: £57.24
VAT: £0.00
Total: £57.24
Approximately US $89

Amazon US
http://www.amazon.com/Second-Toughest-Infants-Super-Deluxe/dp/B0144VVT96
Item $109.98
+ shipping (if applicable)

*Results may vary.

[jetpig]

I see it as 64.99 at the link you posted and using your shipping numbers it comes out to $105. I'd love to get it for 85, but I seem to be missing something?

[saintrik]

I believe the price is lowered in your cart if shipping to the US (subtraction of VAT taxes, etc.). Give it a try and see.

[jetpig]

that's the ticket! seems that will be the way for me to pre-order.

[ThingInABook]

i came out of the cold juuuust to tell everybody that i preordered through HMV canada (hello, i'm in montreal now). it was 138$ CAD (around 69 quid) - after taxes it'll be 165$ CAD. in amazon.ca is 147$ CAD with free shipping, but the price is without taxes too. i rather skip any internet shopping right now, cos I've heard horror tales about Canada Post and i don't wan't any dent on my precioussss boxset.

it's being published by Universal here.

[potatobroth]

any word on when/if iTunes US will be selling this?

[crank]

Wonder what the the odds are that the price drops in the US to equal the UK price? it's really unusual for it to be cheaper in the UK than in the US

[Troy McClure]

The 4 disc boxset is now listed at $99.99 on Amazon. The price must have changed in the few days.

-Jason

[Troy McClure]

any word on when/if iTunes US will be selling this?

The US iTunes store now has the Second Toughest in the Infants remasters up for pre-order: 4 Disc Super Deluxe for $19.99 https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1050279458

2 Disc Deluxe for $11.99
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1050285607

1 Disc Remastered Record for $7.99
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1050300024

You can also buy Born Slippy and Techno Thang individually for $1.29 each.

Update: Just saw it was also up on the US Google Play store music site.

4 Disc Super Deluxe for $18.99
https://play.google.com/store/music/album/Underworld_Second_Toughest_In_The_Infants_Super_De ?id=Bkehqfjrpndkjqbrzk5necxwvvi

2 Disc Deluxe for $11.49
https://play.google.com/store/music/album/Underworld_Second_Toughest_In_The_Infants_Deluxe_R ?id=B6nsgbegygjdadfqrxhnezjkfyu

1 Disc for $7.99
https://play.google.com/store/music/album/Underworld_Second_Toughest_In_The_Infants_Remaster ?id=Bfkojqxy6lqiwvdwejg6dktjagm

Born Slippy and Techno Thang weren't available for individual purchase on the Play store.

US Amazon links:
4 Disc Super Deluxe for $18.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016RM0KMM?keywords=Underworld&qid=1445643811&ref_=sr_1_3&refinements=p_n_feature_browse-bin%3A625150011%2Cp_n_date%3A1249098011&s=dmusic&sr=1-3

2 Disc Deluxe for $11.49
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016RM0KH2?keywords=Underworld&qid=1445643811&ref_=sr_1_2&refinements=p_n_feature_browse-bin%3A625150011%2Cp_n_date%3A1249098011&s=dmusic&sr=1-2

1 Disc for $7.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016RLZZMI?keywords=Underworld&qid=1445643811&ref_=sr_1_1&refinements=p_n_feature_browse-bin%3A625150011%2Cp_n_date%3A1249098011&s=dmusic&sr=1-1

Cheers, Jason

[Flywaver]

Been a looong time since ive had a post...Mega Mega excited..Mega mega excited (oh dear) for this release... I wish Rick had a crack at a continuous Mix of STITI Tracks and B sides or have i got to hint to someone on here to have a go.. ;)

@Railraptor on Twitter

[negative1]

We knew this would happen, but I am really excited about this! Finally we can get some insight into the process of making STITI.

Some early NUXX live versions included:

Nuxx (From A4712 / Live At Zap Club, Brighton / 1994 / Remastered)
Nuxx (From A4733 / UW Live, Amsterdam / 1994 / Remastered)
Nuxx (From A2254 / Live At Liquid Room 2, Tokyo / 1994 / Remastered)

i am cross checking this with the gigography.

*update, all these are in the gigography



also, noticed this on the official site:

Instantly get previously unreleased track Techno Thing and Born Slippy instrumental when you pre-order, then on release you will get a high quality MP3 of the original album remastered.

so even there it's 'techno thing'... hmmm..

later
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[Mike]

It actually really irritates me that something as simple as this can be misspelled. Surely all this data came from one source? If data is copy and pasted, how can it be misspelled either way?

Perhaps that is an over simplistic way of looking at it. Still, its annoying.

[TheBang]

It might be as simple as spellcheck on one of the submission platforms helpfully "correcting" it.

[negative1]

Well, if we are going to question things.

Is it really born slippy instrumental now?
Instead of just 'born slippy', there's many instrumentals.

So unless it says original instrumental or '...' (which I'm not sure where it originated)

*on a pearls girl single, it says 'original instrumental mix'
http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Pearls-Girl/release/109690



Who knows?

Later

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[twicezero]

Well, if we are going to question things.

Is it really born slippy instrumental now?
Instead of just 'born slippy', there's many instrumentals.

So unless it says original instrumental or '...' (which I'm not sure where it originated)

*on a pearls girl single, it says 'original instrumental mix'
http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Pearls-Girl/release/109690


On a UK release (that I don't recognise) http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Pearls-Girl-Tin-There/release/63705

it says

Notes
Text on circular sticker on front reads: "Includes original instrumental mix of Born Slippy"
The version of Born Slippy here is a slightly longer version of the original.

[TheBang]

Yeah, sometimes they refer to it as "instrumental" or "original instrumental" or "breakbeat version" just as a way to distinguish it from the far more well-known NUXX version, which most people would identify as "Born Slippy".

As twicezero says, there are actually 2 versions of Born Slippy. One at 8:31 and one at 8:57.

[pandamagic]

Yeah, sometimes they refer to it as "instrumental" or "original instrumental" or "breakbeat version" just as a way to distinguish it from the far more well-known NUXX version, which most people would identify as "Born Slippy". As twicezero says, there are actually 2 versions of Born Slippy. One at 8:31 and one at 8:57.

hmm, somehow I've made it 20 years without realizing that there's two different lengths of born slippy. I notice that the 8:31 is the one they've decided to include on the "second toughest" reissue, disappointingly. Is the 8:57 only available on that one "pearl's girl" single?

[joethelion]

OH COME ON!

Yea - I also didn't realize till now that there were two different lengths of Born Slippy

damn.

Now... a younger me would immediately start to try and track down that Pearls Girl single...
do I really need to hear that extra 26 seconds?

[jetpig]

8:57: http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Pearls-Girl-Tin-There/release/63705

8:30: http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Born-Slippy/release/106972

[Lx_Nen]

It's not drastically different, pretty much the only difference is that the last 30 seconds of drum loop goes on twice as long.

[negative1]

great, going to have to add it to the list...

later
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[mark3]

Has anyone seen any promos or samplers yet? There were several for the dubno release...

[TheBang]

Yea - I also didn't realize till now that there were two different lengths of Born Slippy
It's been listed on Matt's site for over 10 years :)

http://bigscreensatellite.com/tracklistings.htm

[woofmute]

Well this is.. a thing. Go be a dog. http://www.sappyscurry.com/

[holden]

And now my arms and hands are numb!

Good compufun from the 90's.

[Lx_Nen]

Dogman go ow my fingers.

[jetpig]

Nifty little game... But that artwork, though.

[negative1]

Has anyone seen any promos or samplers yet? There were several for the dubno release...

saw one of the album on ebay:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ktEAAOSwT5tWPRNx/s-l500.jpg

but with a week left to go, its worth waiting.

later
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[mark3]

saw one of the album on ebay


Yeah, I bid on it and got it in the post yesterday:cool:

[jetpig]

Yeah, I bid on it and got it in the post yesterday:cool:

Aaaannnnddd... how does it sound???? :rolleyes:

[negative1]

Yeah, I bid on it and got it in the post yesterday:cool:

so did i, but it was too much for what we're getting in a week or so.

yes, what is the quality like.

later
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[mark3]

I'm sorry, but at the moment I only have my old laptop to play cds in.
So I can't really say a lot about the quality...just got it for my collection

[testudo]

I'm sorry, but at the moment I only have my old laptop to play cds in.
So I can't really say a lot about the quality...just got it for my collection

i don't mean to laugh... but i did at the irony of it all

[negative1]

i don't mean to laugh... but i did at the irony of it all

i've bought plenty of promos i've never listened to. unless there's an exclusive track on it.
no need too.

later
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[2dreamofluv]

i don't understand how this hasn't leaked yet.

the dubno remaster didn't leak either.
so strange in this day and age.

[dubnobasswithme]

Not sure if anyone is in the same boat, but when I preordered the box set a month ago, my credit card company had me verify that I really wanted to spend that kind of money overseas. I approved of the purchase and all seemed well.

I got a second alert tonight for the same thing and it made me think that I was getting charged twice for the box set. As it turns out, the purchase from a month ago was never actually posted to my credit card. Looks like Townsend Music (the third party seller) waited until shipping the box set to actually charge me.

By waiting a month, it ended up saving me $3 in currency conversions, so that's sort of worth the confusion?

[negative1]

<P>i don't understand how this hasn't leaked yet. the dubno remaster didn't leak either. so strange in this day and age.

In between all the samples posted, and previews, there's not really a point in getting it early, since it will be released shortly.

Most bands post streaming versions and put up samples on YouTube also. That is the reality of this day and age.

later
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[2dreamofluv]

yeah, well NOW there's no real point but i wouldn't have minded listening to the extra material a week or two early. i have the vinyl and box set preordered but who knows how long they will take to get here. until then, there is always Spotify.

[hypeless]

Was just able to download 320 MP3s of the album bundled with my Super Deluxe order!

[Troy McClure]

Was just able to download 320 MP3s of the album bundled with my Super Deluxe order!

Nice!
I ordered Super Deluxe and the LP through US Amazon Prime, and it's coming to my place tomorrow. I'm extremely looking forward to listening to it.

Also on the UK iTunes store, all the songs are up to check out 90 second previews.

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1034124502

I only listened to 'Confusion the Waitress', and the update sounds really good even through my laptop speakers. I notice everything sounds more spacious.

Jason

[jetpig]

It's up on spotify. If you don't pay for premium (which you should it's a fantastic service) you'll have to do it on shuffle.

https://play.spotify.com/album/5lATS8kbZZub29Q3mGyNiB

[twicezero]

Arrived this morning. Thank you HMV. Download code for Wavs and mp3s...

What stands out immediately is how different the atmospherics are to dubnobass... I'm no expert but it sounds like computer music not like a band, if that makes any sense, something missing on first listen, but I'm going to let to grow.

The born slippy disk so far is something of wonder. I'm sure it will get boring quickly but wow, that song obviously such a jam of elements, I hope there is some narration for the disk that is coming.

[twicezero]

Ps: Live version of Nuxx are just super. If Underworld have the full recording of Leicester and Zap, they should really really consider sticking them onto iTunes or their own servers to we can buy them.

[crank]

Super Delux is out on Apple Music. Haven't gotten my box yet, but Bug sounds like Dubno era Mother Earth song. Almost like Part two.

[qirex]

This sounds so good I can barely contain my excitement. It's like hearing it for the first time all over again.

[lowbit]

WHOA.....30 GBP for shipping to the US!?!! Want to support the band, but this time guess I'll be ordering from Amazon. :(

[TheBang]

The 20th anniversary remaster of Second Toughest in the Infants is released today!

If you purchase it using one of our affiliate links below, Born Dirty will get a small commission from the retailer. It's a way to support the running of this site, at no cost to you. (iTunes links will be available in a couple days.)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/716QK6dWuuL._SY355_.jpg
Remastered Album
1x CD: Amazon UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B013YN13V4/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B013YN13V4&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), Amazon US (http://amzn.to/1S9mZSB)
2x LP vinyl: Amazon UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0144VVT14/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B0144VVT14&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), Amazon US (http://amzn.to/1Msugvk)
Digital: iTunes UK (https://geo.itunes.apple.com/gb/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1034094477?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes), Amazon MP3 UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B014IU7ZVO/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B014IU7ZVO&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), iTunes US (https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1050300024?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes), Amazon MP3 US (http://amzn.to/1MstpdY)

Disc 1 - Remastered Album
1. Juanita: Kiteless: To Dream Of Love
2. Banstyle / Sappys Curry
3. Confusion the Waitress
4. Rowla
5. Pearl’s Girl
6. Air Towel
7. Blueski
8. Stagger


http://i.imgur.com/IgUuvvg.jpg
Deluxe Edition
2x CD: Amazon UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B013YN12LA/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B013YN12LA&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), Amazon US (http://amzn.to/1MstgHv)
Digital: iTunes UK (https://geo.itunes.apple.com/gb/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1034110957?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes), Amazon MP3 UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B014IU50EI/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B014IU50EI&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), iTunes US (https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1050285607?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes), Amazon MP3 US (http://amzn.to/1Msttuq)

Includes Disc 1 and
Disc 2: Singles, B sides, Remixes
1. Cherry Pie
2. Oich Oich
3. Puppies
4. Mosaic
5. Deep Arch
6. Pearl’s Girl (Tin There)
7. Pearl’s Girl (14996 Version)
8. Born Slippy (Original Instrumental Version)
9. Born Slippy.Nuxx (Deep Pan)


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81ySuYIdbXL._SY355_.jpg
Super Deluxe Box Set
4x CD: Amazon UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0144VVT96/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B0144VVT96&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), Amazon US (http://amzn.to/1MstkXR)
Digital: iTunes UK (https://geo.itunes.apple.com/gb/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1034124502?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes), Amazon MP3 UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B014IU9986/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B014IU9986&linkCode=as2&tag=bordir-21), iTunes US (https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/album/second-toughest-in-infants/id1050279458?at=1001l9r9&app=itunes), Amazon MP3 US (http://amzn.to/1Mstw9B)

Includes Discs 1, 2, and
Disc 3: previously unreleased material
1. Bug
2. Confusion The Waitress (She Said)
3. D+B Thing
4. D’Arbly St
5. 4 Crowns
6. Rowla A1806
7. Bing Here
8. Techno Thang
9. Pearls Ver2
10. Bloody 1

Disc 4: Born Slippy (Nuxx) evolution – unreleased demos, live recordings
1. Nuxx A1796
2. Nuxx A2221 UW live (2 sets) Leicester M Dog 94
3. Nuxx A4712 Live @ Zap club Brighton Feb94
4. Nuxx A4733 UW live Amsterdam Apr94
5. Nuxx Liquid Room 94 A2254 UW Live Liquid Room 2 Tokyo
6. Nuxx from A1825
7. Born Slippy (Nuxx)

[negative1]

i wish i had seen your links 5 seconds ago.

but the super deluxe on the US itunes has it for $18.44 and amazon has it for $18.99.

i checked amazon first, but the link for the mp3 didn't show up for some reason.

there are copies of the boxset going for about $80-$85 also.

later
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[TheBang]

Yeah, I'm super-late on getting those links out there. And it's going to be a couple more days before our new iTunes affiliate account is approved.

[negative1]

i am cross checking this with the gigography.

*update, all these are in the gigography



also, noticed this on the official site:



so even there it's 'techno thing'... hmmm..

later
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i'm seeing this a 'techno thang' on itunes and amazon, so i guess that's going to be the name of the track.

by the way, ITUNES (which sucks) completely messes up the track titles and truncates a lot of the song names.... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...


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[markreed]

I'd like to thank HMV for sending me the superduper version for the bargain price of £27.99

Now. Did anyone notice a major announcement on 24th November?

I think... tour.

Did I say that loudly enough... TOUR?

[happiness stan]

And it's going to be a couple more days before our new iTunes affiliate account is approved.

Just curious, what does that mean?

[TheBang]

Just curious, what does that mean?
Basically, if you buy the album using our affiliate links (above), Born Dirty gets a small kickback (a couple percent) from the retailer (at no extra charge to you). It's a way to support the operation of this site.

Our iTunes affiliate account expired, so I have to set it up again, which will take a couple days, before I can generate new iTunes links.

[happiness stan]

Basically, if you buy the album using our affiliate links (above), Born Dirty gets a small kickback (a couple percent) from the retailer (at no extra charge to you). It's a way to support the operation of this site.

Our iTunes affiliate account expired, so I have to set it up again, which will take a couple days, before I can generate new iTunes links.

oh, that's pretty cool.
maybe I can wait, still kicking myself for missing the hmv bargain.

[jetpig]

Announcementnis likely to be the play karl teased in his diary a few days ago. Somethingnto do with can you hear me?

Current highlight is the ambiance in banstyle/sappys curry around the 5:45 to 6 minute mark. It's soooooo clear. Just gorgeous.

[TheBang]

Now. Did anyone notice a major announcement on 24th November?

Being discussed here already

[joethelion]

I'm really digging the vocal version of 'Rowla'

is it just me, or does it also sound vaguely familiar ... did they ever play it live (but with different lyrics)? Like during the pre-Beaucoup Fish tour... I remember Karl singing about a badger...

[ThingInABook]

i just came back from HMV and... the boxset wasn't there.

the north american release date is for the 18th of december

i feel like a very sad pudu right now (if such thing exists).

[TheBang]

Amazon.ca says Nov. 27. Not sure why Canada's later. It's out in the US today.

[ThingInABook]

Amazon.ca says Nov. 27. Not sure why Canada's later. It's out in the US today.

it's weird. i saw the date in the computer at my local HMV and it did say december 18th. i wonder if they're importing the boxset from the UK...

hope the date was wrong though...

[Troy McClure]

I got my boxset and vinyl order through Amazon Prime today here in Arizona. Love the packaging, new art work and essay.

Jason

[darkvoice]

Just did a headphone listen and I am sure "they did not go back and use old midi files" to make this a master recording a masterpiece like the dubno version. Also still the annoying noise at the beginning of the songs (Confusion The Waitress / Juanita). In a remaster like this, this should have been removed?

Although I am very happy with the louder volume, compared with the Dubno it does not justify the high price.

But hé, it's Underworld right ;-)

[Billy Goat]

I'm really digging the vocal version of 'Rowla'

is it just me, or does it also sound vaguely familiar ... did they ever play it live (but with different lyrics)? Like during the pre-Beaucoup Fish tour... I remember Karl singing about a badger...

It sounds like an early version of Something like a mama to me.

[philth]

Just did a headphone listen and I am sure "they did not go back and use old midi files" to make this a master recording a masterpiece like the dubno version. Also still the annoying noise at the beginning of the songs (Confusion The Waitress / Juanita). In a remaster like this, this should have been removed?

Although I am very happy with the louder volume, compared with the Dubno it does not justify the high price.

But hé, it's Underworld right ;-)

Have to admit this is exactly how I feel about the album remaster. None of the wow moments that came with the Dubno remaster. The Super Deluxe packaging mentions that it was remastered by Miles ??? at Abbey Road. No mention of Rick at all. It certainly feels to me like your standard remaster job.

A missed opportunity I fear, but then we can't have everything. They've been touring a lot in the meantime and working on new material. Which would we rather have? Still, I think I'd have preferred them to do the full job on this album in the future rather than put it out now to meet a schedule / anniversary date.

Phil

[negative1]

i went ahead and ordered it from amazon in the US, for a decent price.

should be here next week.

later
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[khouri]

More thoughtful review forthcoming but after just listening to it all evening in a drive through LA, the album sounds as good as it ever did. I'm not sure what the remaster achieved besides loudness and some clarity, but the Dubnobass remaster was like listening to a completely new album.

But as with the Dubnobass reissue, the artwork for STITI is dreadful. I do not understand this impulse to repackage their iconic albums in totally new artwork. They did a pretty cool thing by highlighting certain words from Savage's text and later making them the titles of pieces, but it just does not fit this record. I would love to have seen the true Dubnobass and STITI artwork in these deluxe formats. Alas.

[twicezero]

I was totally surprised to hear the vocodered words confusion the waitress in the track... How did I miss that for years ?

[markreed]

Compared to DubNoBass, it's a bit skimpy... then again, both the superdeluxe of DubNo and SecondToughest are missing *several* released tracks (Where's "Carp Dreams... Koi", "Banstyle (remix)", and "Juanita, Short Cut"?).

Musically, I've just paid for one CD of unreleased stuff and a CD of frustratingly tantalising excepts from stonking live recordings. They could've filled out the set with a double CD of just one of the shows of the several we know exist ("European Club Gig", Amsterdam, Tokyo, Leicester, Glasgow) which would have made it a 6CD set worthy of the price tag.

Also, like DNB, there's not a DVD to finally put "Kiteless" into the digital world. My VHS is knackered now.

The artwork? It's just a fancy Tomato book thats quite expensive, and no use in terms of information or anything worth a second read. The individual Tomato books ("Mmmm SKyscraper" and "Bareback") are much better.

God, but not great. Still, "Bloody 1" is GREAT. Sure they played something like it live when I saw them in the 90's.

[emsef]

Is there any info on the process involved in the remaster of ST or DNB? I'm a nerd and would like to read about the old technology that needed to be wrestled to get this together. Cheers

[negative1]

Is there any info on the process involved in the remaster of ST or DNB? I'm a nerd and would like to read about the old technology that needed to be wrestled to get this together. Cheers

here's a brief bit:

http://www.complex.com/music/2014/10/karl-hyde-underworld-dubnobasswithmyheadman-interview
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What was it like for you and Rick to remaster the album at Abbey Road of all places?

Ah, that was Rick's job. He's fantastic at getting the sound just right. I love the way he hears things and have total faith in him when it comes to the sound of our records. It was a huge job as most of the original record was recorded on 12 track tape and a lot of the instruments had to be re-recorded because the old keyboards & samplers no longer worked. He even had to track down an old 12 track tape machine that worked in order to transfer the old master recordings—it was an extremely painful process for him by all accounts and I didn't see him for months!

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[Dunwho]

Just spent a bit of time catching up on a bunch of posts about the new Remaster Release. A lot of interesting comments!

Was really delighted to hear that they were getting this out a bit earlier than 2016.. hopefully they will probably do the same for the other releases up to AHDO and have one a year from now.

I picked the Super Deluxe up today in Tower Dublin and I must say I am delighted with the package. The book with essay and art is fantastic and I love how the coloured Super Deluxe box works as a set with Dubno box from last year.. it must be just the first two parts of a series as they remaster the rest of the albums. The artwork on the box has only changed for the Super Deluxe releases.. the single and double cd releases and the vinyl has stayed the same.. so I don't see the issue with having something new and special from Tomato for the Super Deluxe.. I love Tomato's work and the more they release the better!

A lot of people have commented on how it does not sound/feel as special as the Dubno release but I feel that this is a different beast altogether. I would say Rick wanted to give Dubno the attention it deserved considering how ground-breaking the album was for dance music in general. Hence the year spent remastering it and the subsequent world tour of the album. STITI deserves to be remastered but I'd prefer Rick take a step back and focus on new material while someone else give STITI a general remaster with his supervision - we cant get into a cycle of reliving the past while UW has so much more to give in the future!

STITI is a fantastic album, it is my personal favourite. IMO, while Dubno was the revolutionary breakout experiment that helped shape dance and techno music for decades to come, STITI is the first "settled" Underworld album where they express a consistency and honesty in their sound that accurately reflected their live show and experimental nature. No more UW#1 hangovers... this is full on UW#2 no holds barred... and it is glorious!

Yes, I know a lot of us here have heard a ton of disc 2 before through various sources but everyone is quick to forget that there is a world of UW fans who don't spend their time seeking that stuff out.. the 2 disc set will expose that music to a ton of new people which I think is great as I remember fondly the first times I listened and danced to many of the b-sides and demos from this era. So try to put it in perspective... this is a huge amount to release for the world to hear... not just us at BornDirty! :)

My favourite bits so far:

Always good to enjoy the original Born Slippy (far superior)
The full disc of NUXX is a bit much, but it is cool to hear high quality recordings of a lot of the samples they use live when improvising. I find it more interesting than enjoyable.

Pearl's Version 2 has an awesome 4 to the floor touch half way through which I love.. They do that when jamming live before seg-waying into another track.. always gets me going. It also has a touch of the 1996 european gig which is always a good thing :)

The vocal version of Rowla is really different.. great fresh perspective on it.

D & B Thing is what I feel the essay in the Book is getting at in terms of the sounds and feelings they were living with at the time. That breakbeat sound has a huge effect on the album as a whole and while I can see why this track never went to the full release it has so much in there that is like a blueprint for the album.. really fun and adventurous.

Tin Pearl is my new "I'm in a rush get out of my fucking way" song... love it.

Overall I am delighted I cashed out for this.. I love this era of Underworld and I think this collection captures it well :)

[gcoleman99]

I am a HUGE geek when it comes to making playlists, ie. putting them all together in order of release (and since there's a whole CD + the .Nuxx cuts of unreleased material, in order of recording). Would anyone here be able to help me with this? The ones I'm having the hardest time plugging into any semblence of order would be the following (although 3 and 4 of the .Nuxx album were most helpful in putting in the date):



Disc 3: previously unreleased material
1. Bug
2. Confusion The Waitress (She Said)
3. D+B Thing
4. D’Arbly St
5. 4 Crowns
6. Rowla A1806
7. Bing Here
8. Techno Thang
9. Pearls Ver2
10. Bloody 1

Disc 4: Born Slippy (Nuxx) evolution – unreleased demos, live recordings
1. Nuxx A1796
2. Nuxx A2221 UW live (2 sets) Leicester M Dog 94
3. Nuxx A4712 Live @ Zap club Brighton Feb94
4. Nuxx A4733 UW live Amsterdam Apr94
5. Nuxx Liquid Room 94 A2254 UW Live Liquid Room 2 Tokyo
6. Nuxx from A1825

Thanks in advance for any assistance with this...

[gcoleman99]

This looks really great, overall. I'm very excited.

Notable omissions from the remasters:

Telematic
Carp Dreams... Koi

And, I would really have liked to have gotten a digital version of long Rowla. I should probably voice these wishes earlier in the remaster process. Time to figure out requests now for Beaucoup Fish?

So, a full disc of unreleased material, that sounds great. I'm surprised that there's so much available; moreso than even the Dubno era.

And, I am also excited about the Nuxx evolution disc. I like following their process, like, for example, Phonestrap, or Cowgirl on the Dubno deluxe. We know from the Tramway gig that Nuxx went through a lot of changes, BUT we don't have any other recordings of it from 1994, so it'll be great to hear all those early versions as they worked it out on stage.

I do wish we had another disc with a full live show like the Dubno deluxe (and the fact that there are soundboard (?) recordings from those four early 94 gigs is tantalizing), but I'm pretty happy with what we're getting.

So I made a list of everything that was released in the STITI era that was NOT included on this release. As noted above, .Telematic, Carp Dreams....Koi, and the Extended Versions of Rowla and Confusion The Waitress weren't included :mad:

Anyway, here's the full list:

Banstyle (Alex Reece Mix) 05:39
Born Slippy .TELEMATIC 09:39
Born Slippy .NUXX (Short II) 03:45
Born Slippy .NUXX (Short I) 04:23
Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Remix) 06:28
Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Remix 2) 08:09
Confusion The Waitress (Remix) 07:32
Juanita (Promo Short Cut) 03:49
Pearl's Girl (Short Version) 03:50
Pearl's Girl (Radio Edit) 04:22
Pearl's Girl (Short) 04:25
Pearl's Girl (Tin There) (Edit Version) 05:00
Pearl's Girl (Tin There) (CDROM Version) 06:05
Pearl's Girl (Carp Dreams... Koi) 10:05
Rowla (Long Version) 08:40

I added them all up, and they total 91.51. If you took out the 2 Darren Price Remixes of .Nuxx (which are still available readily on the .Nuxx Maxi-Single release), they could have easily fit everything else onto another disc. While I do appreciate what was put on the 4CD release, it would have been nice (as one who's a completist) to have better copies of these tracks (not all of which I have, either).

*sighs* Oh, well, maybe we can get requests in for rare tracks off of BF that should get put on the Super Deluxe of that release (thinking of the Italian KoS CD in particular).

[2dreamofluv]

Yeah, but a lot of that is redundant. I don't see the point including multiple shorter edits when the full track is already included.
I would have liked to have seen these released though, and they would all fit on one CD:

Juanita (Promo Short Cut) 03:49
Rowla (Long Version) 08:40
Confusion The Waitress (Remix) 07:32
Pearl's Girl (Carp Dreams... Koi) 10:05
Banstyle (Alex Reece Mix) 05:39
Born Slippy .TELEMATIC 09:39
Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Remix) 06:28
Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Remix 2) 08:09

If they release all the remixes for BF, it will be like a 9 disc boxset. completionists should expect disappointment

i also never heard Karl say "confusion the waitress" in the song before. i have heard it on the old versions, but i never understood what he was saying or that he was actually saying words.

overall, i am very happy with the remaster.
boxset is a little pricey for what it is though.
also not a huge fan of the new pink artwork.

[TheBang]

If they release all the remixes for BF, it will be like a 9 disc boxset. completionists should expect disappointment

First release where most of the remixes are by other artists though, so I don't mind if they leave most of them off. I do hope they include some of the vinyl only remixes though, like Push Adam Beyer Remix 2 and the unedited versions of the Jumbo remixes. Oh, and maybe a proper release for the Bruce Lee Hype & Zinc remix?

[lament]

So I made a list of everything that was released in the STITI era that was NOT included on this release. As noted above, .Telematic, Carp Dreams....Koi, and the Extended Versions of Rowla and Confusion The Waitress weren't included :mad:

Anyway, here's the full list:

Banstyle (Alex Reece Mix) 05:39
Born Slippy .TELEMATIC 09:39
Born Slippy .NUXX (Short II) 03:45
Born Slippy .NUXX (Short I) 04:23
Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Remix) 06:28
Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Remix 2) 08:09
Confusion The Waitress (Remix) 07:32
Juanita (Promo Short Cut) 03:49
Pearl's Girl (Short Version) 03:50
Pearl's Girl (Radio Edit) 04:22
Pearl's Girl (Short) 04:25
Pearl's Girl (Tin There) (Edit Version) 05:00
Pearl's Girl (Tin There) (CDROM Version) 06:05
Pearl's Girl (Carp Dreams... Koi) 10:05
Rowla (Long Version) 08:40

I added them all up, and they total 91.51. If you took out the 2 Darren Price Remixes of .Nuxx (which are still available readily on the .Nuxx Maxi-Single release), they could have easily fit everything else onto another disc. While I do appreciate what was put on the 4CD release, it would have been nice (as one who's a completist) to have better copies of these tracks (not all of which I have, either).

*sighs* Oh, well, maybe we can get requests in for rare tracks off of BF that should get put on the Super Deluxe of that release (thinking of the Italian KoS CD in particular).
Cheers for this list. Any way to link out where to find these on discogs if they're not obvious?

Also did you make one for Dubno? :)

[negative1]

Cheers for this list. Any way to link out where to find these on discogs if they're not obvious?

Also did you make one for Dubno? :)

listed for dubnobasswithmyheadman:
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http://www.borndirty.org/forums/showpost.php?p=156733&postcount=49


these boxset releases were never meant to be comprehensive,
so you'll have to put your own list together.


later
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[lament]

Thanks -1!

[hypeless]

It's a way to support the running of this site, at no cost to you.

Out of curiosity - any way to support the running of the site otherwise? :)

[khouri]

Confusion The Waitress (Remix) 07:32

I don't think I've ever heard this one. Doesn't seem to be on YouTube. How did I miss this?

[emsef]

here's a brief bit:

http://www.complex.com/music/2014/10/karl-hyde-underworld-dubnobasswithmyheadman-interview
---------------------------
What was it like for you and Rick to remaster the album at Abbey Road of all places?

Ah, that was Rick's job. He's fantastic at getting the sound just right. I love the way he hears things and have total faith in him when it comes to the sound of our records. It was a huge job as most of the original record was recorded on 12 track tape and a lot of the instruments had to be re-recorded because the old keyboards & samplers no longer worked. He even had to track down an old 12 track tape machine that worked in order to transfer the old master recordings—it was an extremely painful process for him by all accounts and I didn't see him for months!

Thanks!

[TheBang]

Out of curiosity - any way to support the running of the site otherwise? :)
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[TheBang]

I don't think I've ever heard this one. Doesn't seem to be on YouTube. How did I miss this?
Because, if you want it, you'll have to fight mark3 for it:

http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Confusion-The-Waitress/release/5080225

[pandamagic]

Yeah, but a lot of that is redundant. I don't see the point including multiple shorter edits when the full track is already included. I would have liked to have seen these released though, and they would all fit on one CD: Juanita (Promo Short Cut) 03:49 Rowla (Long Version) 08:40 Confusion The Waitress (Remix) 07:32 Pearl's Girl (Carp Dreams... Koi) 10:05 Banstyle (Alex Reece Mix) 05:39 Born Slippy .TELEMATIC 09:39 Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Remix) 06:28 Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Remix 2) 08:09 If they release all the remixes for BF, it will be like a 9 disc boxset. completionists should expect disappointment i also never heard Karl say "confusion the waitress" in the song before. i have heard it on the old versions, but i never understood what he was saying or that he was actually saying words. overall, i am very happy with the remaster. boxset is a little pricey for what it is though. also not a huge fan of the new pink artwork.

the absence of the Juanita promo short cut is really no loss at all. There's a really sloppy edit at 0:29 which throws off the time signature momentarily, so the whole thing feel like a rushed hack job, even for just a limited promo release.

everything else you listed above, though, I would have loved to hear remastered.

[TheBang]

I don't understand what everyone's obsession is over what are, essentially, radio edits.

[gcoleman99]

I don't understand what everyone's obsession is over what are, essentially, radio edits.
When it comes to Rush and UW, I want at least a 320 mp3 version of everything (everything)! I never professed to be particularly sane about it, though.

[twicezero]

Because, if you want it, you'll have to fight mark3 for it:

http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Confusion-The-Waitress/release/5080225

The comment on discogs suggests she said is an edit of this promo. Anyone agree?

[TheBang]

That comment is wrong (as pointed out by a couple people responding to the comment)

[TheBang]

The iTunes links have been added, if anyone was waiting for them. I added all the purchasing links to the first post also.

[ultradave]

Banstyle // Sappy's Curry Remastered... need I say more?

Just unwrapped this... glad to be able to d/l the lossless WAV files. Much easier to encoded to ALAC than ripping each CD.

The remastered tracks sound amazing. I find it too hard to be super excited about their new LP since I'm into this right now... but at least once the STITI buzz subsides I'll be ready. :D

[darkvoice]

Just downloaded the digital package which comes with the deluxe package.
Aparently there is a new track on CD2 called 09-CD2_1644_Underworld-Deeply Pizza.WAV

Sounds a lot like the deep pan mix ;-)))

[darkvoice]

Didn't hear this version of Stagger before?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11q1fAbSIqE

[Troy McClure]

Didn't hear this version of Stagger before? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11q1fAbSIqE


That version of Stagger is from when Rick and Karl were releasing tracks to the underworldlive.com website. I think there were 12 tracks. I can't remember the year though. There were some great versions of Air Towel, Oich Oich and Skyscraper, among others.

Jason

[stimpee]

Stagger is from the old Underworldlive.com releases. Its name is actually "file 010601" or "010601" or Stagger Jam.

See this thread for discussion http://www.borndirty.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7338&page=1

[pandamagic]

That version of Stagger is from when Rick and Karl were releasing tracks to the underworldlive.com website. I think there were 12 tracks. I can't remember the year though. There were some great versions of Air Towel, Oich Oich and Skyscraper, among others. Jason

If memory serves most of this stuff is circa '99-2000, so I reaaaaally hope some of it ends up on the Beaucoup Fish re-issue (if such a thing ever happens.) Much of the underworldlive.com stuff from that era trumps a lot of what ended up on disc 3 of the Second Toughest super deluxe set. It would be a shame to have it languish away forever on sad old 160 kbs mp3s. The "air towel" and "stagger" jams are especially good.

It actually isn't *that* much of a stretch of the imagination to assume they're hanging on to the old underworldlive.com stuff for a hypothetical Beaucoup Fish box set, since in terms of bonus (non-remix) tracks from that album, there isn't much apart from "please help me" to pad out a reissue. Since I'm fantasizing anyway, it would be great to have a disc of "best remixes by other people" (ie - micronauts' "bruce lee," salt city orchestra's "cups," jumbo remixes that don't fade out early, etc) and then a disc of highlights from the underworldlive tracks.

[negative1]

Banstyle // Sappy's Curry Remastered... need I say more?


The remastered tracks sound amazing.

maybe it's just me.

but the remastering to me, is very subtle.

so much so, that i can't really tell what if anything was done to them.


i've listened through headphones, in a car, and on home speakers to all the tracks.


in fact the demos, sound a little noisy, with hiss, and other background sounds.

the album and b-sides sounds pretty much identical to the old cd, i havent done a
critical comparison, or with vinyl. but at some point i might check.

later
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[Mike]

The remastering is very subtle on Disc 2. Born Slippy certainly sounds different, compression is different exposing distinct layers in the track. In particular, there is a bass drone starting at 2:37 and every 4 beats that is more prominent.

The biggest disappointment for me is Tin There which sounds more of a mess than ever. As soon as that "mesh" comes in, its just brick wall distortion all the way. The original version sounded warmer, with the softer drums slightly masking the distortion.

Deep Arch and Deep Pan are crisper, but I don't see the real benefit in remastering these tracks.

[joethelion]

If memory serves most of this stuff is circa '99-2000, so I reaaaaally hope some of it ends up on the Beaucoup Fish re-issue (if such a thing ever happens.) Much of the underworldlive.com stuff from that era trumps a lot of what ended up on disc 3 of the Second Toughest super deluxe set. It would be a shame to have it languish away forever on sad old 160 kbs mp3s. The "air towel" and "stagger" jams are especially good.

It actually isn't *that* much of a stretch of the imagination to assume they're hanging on to the old underworldlive.com stuff for a hypothetical Beaucoup Fish box set, since in terms of bonus (non-remix) tracks from that album, there isn't much apart from "please help me" to pad out a reissue. Since I'm fantasizing anyway, it would be great to have a disc of "best remixes by other people" (ie - micronauts' "bruce lee," salt city orchestra's "cups," jumbo remixes that don't fade out early, etc) and then a disc of highlights from the underworldlive tracks.



What I'd like to see, is a box set of all of the tracks they gave out on UW Live (maybe not ALL of the live shows (like 'Burger Van Man Gig') but at least the 'In Studio Jams' and one-off tracks

...and that'd nicely go along with Karl's book of diary entries

[negative1]

just to break out all the 'beacoup fish' talk to another thread.

i've started my listing here:
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http://www.borndirty.org/forums/showpost.php?p=159383&postcount=1

feel free to discuss there.

later
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[holden]

Regarding potential extras for Beaucoup Fish box, yeah it would be nice to have high quality versions of UWlive stuff of that era, but I'm more interested in hearing stuff from the archives that we don't even know about yet. I mean, how many of us knew about Bug or Bing Here or Bloody 1 until last week? I'm sure we'll get the typical LP, singles, remixes, but I personally can't wait for new old tracks. Though if they want to remaster Blue Mountain jam, that'd be fine, too!

Regarding STITI remaster, very pleased with the bonus discs and more listenable LP. The singles and EP sound quality never bothered me like the murky, Quiet LP. Really digging the outtakes, they are getting heavy rotation, up there with the live dubno improvs

[ultradave]

maybe it's just me.

but the remastering to me, is very subtle.



It is very subtle that I can hear. I think my only gripe on the original release was that the tracks were mastered at too low a volume. For example with Banstyle - from the original Lossless track I had to boost the volume setting up 25% to get it at the same level as the remastered version. Other than that, STITI was flawless. Still my favourite UW LP.

btw - digging the Born Slippy evolution disc... I had thought I heard every version possible! :D

[potatobroth]

love STiTI. that said, I can barely notice any differences in the remastered. Here and there maybe.

The NUXX bonus disc is a total waste on me tho as that version is easily my least favorite version of the track. Its the most unrealized version. Listened thru each one once but I suspect that disc will get no more play on this end.

The unreleased track, however, will! Didn't expect to love them as much as I am after my first listen. Its hard to jump into that STiTI mindset after so many years but when it finally clicked, it all felt so right.

[Dino3D]

Is the bonus disc of b-sides remastered? Thanks!

[negative1]

Is the bonus disc of b-sides remastered? Thanks!

yes, all the discs are.

but its very hard to tell.

later
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[holden]

Regarding the NUXX disc, a few observations:

1) the live jams... I realize the song was still in progress in 1994, and that the live versions are heavily improvised, but they sound kind of random to me, by UW standards. That is, overloaded with drum loops (including plenty of 808 hihats), not really coherent. Also,maybe its a product of where they were in terms of live performances at the time, but I felt like a lot of the sample and beats dropped in at random, not in conjunction with Karl's vocals, which even back then we're pretty much fixed for NUXX. I need to revisit the older live boots as I may be forgetting how freeform they really were!

2) was NUXX always planned as the BIG single? As its a remix on the original Born Slippy disc and we all know the Trainspotting Legend, I'd think not. So then, anyone else surprised by how many versions of NUXX they dug up for the box set? Then again, with the reel and take names sprinkled about the b sides and dubno rarities, maybe there are many more versions of other tracks, probably a lot of random or unfinished jams....but imagine if your favorite tracks had wildly different versions! Bet it's the case. Yeah, tracks develop a lot over the recording process, or in the case of tracks like ALAF, over the years. But decisions are made and elements are dropped. I'd be interested in hearing songs in a less recognisable state rather than remixes or subtle versions of the final cut.
Just some thoughts!

[dubnobasswithme]

Anyone else out there in the states and still waiting for their box to show up from UW HQ? They had the dubnobass box set to me the day before it was released, but I'm still waiting for the stiti one here.

Next time, I'm just going with amazon.....

[Mike]

was NUXX always planned as the BIG single? As its a remix on the original Born Slippy disc and we all know the Trainspotting Legend, I'd think not.

Is Nuxx is a remix of Born Slippy?

Or is the "Born Slippy" title a creative decision for the Born Slippy release - (Born Slippy, Born Slippy .NUXX, Born Slippy .TEL EMATIC).

I can hear more similarity between Nuxx and "Telematic", but I don't hear much similarity with Born Slippy "Original" even now we have heard some of the early versions.

[joethelion]

First I have to say, I am LOVING the disc of unreleased tracks. While I found the ones on 'Dubno' a bit more surprising... I didn't necessarily listen to them that often. Also, is it just me ... or do portions of "D+B Thing" sound a bit like "You Do Scribble"?

and the NUXX disc... I can kinda see what they wanted to do, but really... but it just put a big spotlight on the fact that they have many shows archived (and ... it kinda begs the question: why are they not selling the full shows digitally online?)

It also got me to go back and listen to my old bootlegs from the '95/'96 era... I do find it a bit surprising that the version of "Born Slippy" where it's the original 'instrumental' with the NUXX lyrics over it wasn't included on this boxset, as it was performed that way (at least once)

[Dino3D]

yes, all the discs are.

but its very hard to tell.

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Thank you! :)

[Billy Goat]

First I have to say, I am LOVING the disc of unreleased tracks. While I found the ones on 'Dubno' a bit more surprising... I didn't necessarily listen to them that often. Also, is it just me ... or do portions of "D+B Thing" sound a bit like "You Do Scribble"?

and the NUXX disc... I can kinda see what they wanted to do, but really... but it just put a big spotlight on the fact that they have many shows archived (and ... it kinda begs the question: why are they not selling the full shows digitally online?)

It also got me to go back and listen to my old bootlegs from the '95/'96 era... I do find it a bit surprising that the version of "Born Slippy" where it's the original 'instrumental' with the NUXX lyrics over it wasn't included on this boxset, as it was performed that way (at least once)

Which concert was the original version of Born Slippy with the NUXX lyrics performed on as I would love to hear that as I don't remember ever hearing it!

[negative1]

Which concert was the original version of Born Slippy with the NUXX lyrics performed on as I would love to hear that as I don't remember ever hearing it!

refer to here:
http://www.borndirty.org/forums/showpost.php?p=159449&postcount=20

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[negative1]

and the NUXX disc... I can kinda see what they wanted to do, but really... but it just put a big spotlight on the fact that they have many shows archived (and ... it kinda begs the question: why are they not selling the full shows digitally online?)


logistics and copyright issues probably.


It also got me to go back and listen to my old bootlegs from the '95/'96 era... I do find it a bit surprising that the version of "Born Slippy" where it's the original 'instrumental' with the NUXX lyrics over it wasn't included on this boxset, as it was performed that way (at least once)

agreed, but we have a good recording of it.

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[Billy Goat]

refer to here:
http://www.borndirty.org/forums/showpost.php?p=159449&postcount=20

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Thanks -1 I have the Glasgow gig- I still have the tape I recorded it off Radio1 on all those years ago! Also have the extra track at the end thanks to the tracker! Listening to the nuxx disc and the Glasgow gig I think nuxx has always been a separate track from 'original born slippy' and that they used some elements of nuxx with samples that became born slippy in the Jam version at the end of the Glasgow gig.
For me born slippy sounds like STITI era and nuxx like dubno era with a slight evolution/polish into what we know as born slippy .nuxx. I am still to hear a version of 'original born slippy' with nuxx lyrics. Are there any earlier recordings (bootlegs) around with (or without) nuxx on before Glasgow 94 (not including new STITI nuxx versions)?
I think it's a bit like dirty with guitar, epic, etc versions but they are less similar and I agree with Holden's earlier post that they just put them together on the born slippy release because 'original bs' was the new release but nuxx was going to sell well because of trainspotting.
I think I'm going to refer to nuxx simply as nuxx rather than born slippy .nuxx now and the same with tel ematic!��

[joethelion]

refer to here:
http://www.borndirty.org/forums/showpost.php?p=159449&postcount=20

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That's actually not the show I was talking about, and personally - I wouldn't really count that version of the track to be the 'original instrumental' but with NUXX lyrics

I'm at work now... but when I get home - I'll double check what bootleg I was listening to. I'm almost certain I was listening to a recording from:

1995-08-06 T in the Park, Hamilton, UK

[twicezero]

I think it's a bit like dirty with guitar, epic, etc versions but they are less similar and I agree with Holden's earlier post that they just put them together on the born slippy release because 'original bs' was the new release but nuxx was going to sell well because of trainspotting.
I think I'm going to refer to nuxx simply as nuxx rather than born slippy .nuxx now and the same with tel ematic!��

The Born Slippy ep was out waaaaay before trainspotting... right?

[Billy Goat]

The Born Slippy ep was out waaaaay before trainspotting... right?

Good point! I stand corrected! It was a long time ago... I was doing my GCSEs back then and was obviously revising too hard!
Is the T in the park bootleg that joethelion mentions available anywhere? I can't see it on the tracker? I would love to hear that!...although as twicezero points out that gig was after the born slippy ep was released so couldn't really be a prototype version! It's all getting confusing now!

[holden]

The Born Slippy ep was out waaaaay before trainspotting... right?

Yep. But as it was an EP, featuring non-album tracks, you certainly could say they were angling for a hit. A couple years later, that had it, oh how they had it!

i guess my point is, with all the NUXX versions, the extensive but pretty fixed set of lyrics (though the live versions do have an extra few lines), it seems they really loved this track, long before it became their signature tune. Unless there are reels of versions of many other tracks that we've not heard.

i find it interesting how tracks like "Always Loved a Film" and (You Do)"Scribble" and Biro the Leggy/"Beautiful Burnout take years to gel, and at what point do they decide it's done? Personally, i like the Silver Boots version of ALAF much more than the eventual official album release, and YDS is so much more emphatic than Scribble, but that's just me. As for NUXX, it seems like they solved the question of what parts to include fairly early, though samples and beats from the formative stage still crop up in live versions to this day.

[negative1]

ok, there's 2 recordings of born slippy with NUXX lyrics:

refer to here:
http://www.borndirty.org/forums/showpost.php?p=159465&postcount=22

yes, t in the park was one of them, but it was in 1995.

(i'm trying to keep all the born slippy talk in that thread to make it easier to find)

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[holden]

The biggest disappointment for me is Tin There which sounds more of a mess than ever. As soon as that "mesh" comes in, its just brick wall distortion all the way. The original version sounded warmer, with the softer drums slightly masking the distortion.




Just got around to listening to the B-sides disc, and you are so correct. "Tin There" sounds terrible now. Even though it's a heavy track with lots of loops piling up at once, all of them were still discernible on the Pearls Girl EP and Wipeout 2097. The "Remastering" of this track is textbook brickwalling.

Glad that the LP is now at a more consistent volume, but yeah, i agree with previous sentiments that there aren't that many revelation moments when you hear something for the first time that was hidden in the mix, as was the case with the dubno remaster. Disc 3 is the gem here, though.

[ThingInABook]

what i'm missing from this re-release (i won't talk about the boxset yet, since I STILL DON'T HAVE MINE DAMN YOU HMV CANADA D:<) is the little odds and ends that the Dubno one had. For Dubno, we had a DAT tape with an alternative tracklist, proper demos and never heard before tracks. STITI only has 'excercises', with this i mean that they're proto versions of some tracks, a couple of tracks that could be demos and that's about it. The only thing that amazed me of the 3rd disc was the extended mix of Banstyle (the one that comes in the .NUXX ep), 4 crowns (too short, sad thing) and techno thang (which is good, but it sounds like someone was having fun with the desk). the other stuff is just leftovers.

now i see this thing as a rushed effort to add another boxset to the collection.

and i expect the Beaucoup Fish boxset to have proper demos (cape ffuno would be nice) and finished tracks. and the box has to be red. IT HAS TO BE RED.

[jetpig]

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/12/the-flaming-lips-celebrate-20-years-of-clouds-taste-metallic-on-fallon-watch/

Pitchfork gave it an 8.8 and said it's the best reissue of 2015

[negative1]

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/12/the-flaming-lips-celebrate-20-years-of-clouds-taste-metallic-on-fallon-watch/

Pitchfork gave it an 8.8 and said it's the best reissue of 2015

not sure what that link is?

found it here: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/21265-second-toughest-in-the-infants/

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[pandamagic]

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/12/the-flaming-lips-celebrate-20-years-of-clouds-taste-metallic-on-fallon-watch/ Pitchfork gave it an 8.8 and said it's the best reissue of 2015

pitchfork gives many reissues "best reissue" status in a year, not just one.

[jetpig]

Whoops. Wrong link... Well at least one of my favorite bands isnt a glorified backing band for miley cyrus right now... :/

[qirex]

Finally got my box set in the mail. It's a pleasure to finally be able to hold it in my hands even though I've been listening to it on Spotify since it's been released. The tracks sound incredible; definitely picking up on new little details here and there and after all these years I finally realized that this is my favorite UW album (& b-sides). Really hoping Beacoup Fish gets the same treatment.

[titsmcgee852]

Do the remastered tracks sound any better than the originals?

[qirex]

Do the remastered tracks sound any better than the originals?

Yes. Check it out on Spotify

[negative1]

Reduced price on boxset:
http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/deal/deal-alert-underworld-second-toughest-in-the-infants-super-deluxe/

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[TheBang]

The price for the Dubno box has been dropping too, just FYI.

[crank]

hope the same happens on the Barbara box. talk about overpriced shippings.

[TheBang]

The Barbara Barbara box set was exclusive to Underworldlive.com and was limited to a 400 copy run which has sold out. If you didn't get one, your only option now is to buy it on the secondary market.

[BrotherLovesDub]

UW really shit on American fans with their ridiculous 'tours' and $100 shipping fees. Oh well, I guess they can do what they want. Cry more, dumb Americans, right?

[qirex]

hope the same happens on the Barbara box. talk about overpriced shippings.

Yeah that was severely overpriced. $230... Its a shame their merch doesnt take North America into account at all

[joethelion]

Yeah that was severely overpriced. $230... Its a shame their merch doesnt take North America into account at all


yea - that's why I never bought the deluxe edition of the new album...
I mean - I like ...REALLY Like Underworld... but over $100 for a (single disc) new album is absurd

[negative1]

hope the same happens on the Barbara box. talk about overpriced shippings.

UW really sh*t on American fans with their ridiculous 'tours' and $100 shipping fees. Oh well, I guess they can do what they want. Cry more, dumb Americans, right?


Yeah that was severely overpriced. $230... Its a shame their merch doesnt take North America into account at all

yea - that's why I never bought the deluxe edition of the new album...
I mean - I like ...REALLY Like Underworld... but over $100 for a (single disc) new album is absurd

for me, if i like the music, i don't care what it costs,
$100, $1000, it doesn't matter.....

the fact that it was a limited edition and sold out, means other people thought the same, that the market will accept it.

i've spent way more, for a lot less...

if it's not worth it to you, there's no point in complaining because your pricepoint is going
to be different from everyone elses.

i remember similar complaints for the tokyo live 3cd, the artbook and cd releases,
and pretty much every other limited release they have had.

since i don't really care for this album, the limited boxset could have been
$10 or $1 and i wouldn't have bought it.

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[holden]

for me, if i like the music, i don't care what it costs,
$100, $1000, it doesn't matter.....

the fact that it was a limited edition and sold out, means other people thought the same, that the market will accept it.

i've spent way more, for a lot less...

if it's not worth it to you, there's no point in complaining because your pricepoint is going
to be different from everyone elses.

-1

Well, there's the price one is willing to pay for the product, and then there's the cost of shipping. I think the complaint is with the latter. The music, box, art, limited edition bragging rights...yes, the value varies by individual. But complaining about getting gouged on shipping is a valid complaint, because it makes already expensive products prohibitively so.

[crank]

I had a CASE of wine shipped from Italy that cost FAR less that a measly box set from Italy. it was shipped with care and was a heavy large box. there's no excuse or justification

[negative1]

Well, there's the price one is willing to pay for the product, and then there's the cost of shipping. I think the complaint is with the latter. The music, box, art, limited edition bragging rights...yes, the value varies by individual. But complaining about getting gouged on shipping is a valid complaint, because it makes already expensive products prohibitively so.

to me, shipping price is also a part of getting it.

again, i wonder if anyone would still buy the boxset even if the
shipping was reasonable or low.

so, it really doesn't matter overall, because if you've made up
your mind that it is too expensive to begin with, then the shipping
cost wouldn't impact it.

to me, whatever it costs overall is it, period.

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[holden]

to me, shipping price is also a part of getting it.

again, i wonder if anyone would still buy the boxset even if the
shipping was reasonable or low.

so, it really doesn't matter overall, because if you've made up
your mind that it is to expensive to begin with, then the shipping
cost wouldn't impact it.

to me, whatever it costs overall is it, period.

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Then you resign yourself to getting fleeced for no added value. Yeah, the boxes were expensive, but I justified them by funding different sources (eg Amazon) and not wasting my hard earned on shipping from the UK. I miss your point that it costs what it costs...that's only true if there's only one way to purchase something.

[negative1]

Then you resign yourself to getting fleeced for no added value. Yeah, the boxes were expensive, but I justified them by funding different sources (eg Amazon) and not wasting my hard earned on shipping from the UK. I miss your point that it costs what it costs...that's only true if there's only one way to purchase something.

i'm only referring to the 'barbara, barbara' boxset, not the other ones.

originally, it was an exclusive to underworldlive, so there was only one way to get it.

sure, people could look for aftermarket copies now.
but if you want to guarantee getting one, that was the only way to get it.

with the other boxsets, sure people definitely shop around, which i also
do.

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[crank]

The shipping costs weren't $100.

Those costs weren't costs, they were marked up substantially. Whoever fulfilled those orders either made a mistake or wanted to screw nonUK residents. Simple as that. if i can ship a CASE of wine- 12 bottles - from a small winery in ITALY to the US for less than that, I think a simple boxset would be FAR less.

[negative1]

i think we need to stop talking about shipping prices and such here.

and either move it here:
https://www.borndirty.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18227&page=27

or to its own thread.

i'd rather talk about how great the second toughest box set is,
as opposed to the griping about costs in general.

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[stimpee]

Agreed. Shipping costs arent part of the box(es).

[jetpig]

Time to bump an ancient thread. I just realized I don't actually have this anywhere, and I've just listened on Spotify all this time. Anywhere to get hi-rez digital FLAC?

[saintrik]

Time to bump an ancient thread. I just realized I don't actually have this anywhere, and I've just listened on Spotify all this time. Anywhere to get hi-rez digital FLAC?

Qobuz:
https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/second-toughest-in-the-infants-underworld/0060254747608

7Digital:
https://us.7digital.com/artist/underworld/release/second-toughest-in-the-infants-super-deluxe-remastered-4928615?f=20%2C19%2C12%2C16%2C17%2C9%2C2