Saved from the cutting room floor mix* - Underworld vs The Misterons

[Lx_Nen]

*pieced together from old dats, floppy disks and cassette tapes by the misterons.

While compiling the 20th anniversary edition of "dubnobass..." the misterons kept a watchful eye on the music that never made the official release... Here's a peak at what they found.

https://soundcloud.com/underworld/saved-from-the-cutting-room-floor-mix-underworld-vs-the-misterons-1


.... and now I've had a chance to listen to some of it.... this is seriously amazing, could easily have been another disc in the box set!

[khouri]

The language makes it a bit unclear what this is. I hope it's not the bonus content we paid a shitload for being streamed for free!

That said, the music is giving me chills. Like peering through a portal into an alternate universe.

[ThingInABook]

i was thinking these tracks might be the contents of the 6th cd of the japanese boxset (????) since there's no tracklist for it yet.

also, Dark & Long is that 2010 jam/mix freebie that came as a gift when someone sent feedback for the site update. it was really quiet back then, so it's nice to hear it in all its dynamic glory.

also, dogman go woof. dogman go woof is in the mix and i'm absolutely dying haha.

[Spooky Shoes]

i was thinking these tracks might be the contents of the 6th cd of the japanese boxset (????) since there's no tracklist for it yet.


The translation said something alone the lines of the bonus tracks being taken from the 2005 Japanese tour dates.

[DaddyAdv]

Awesome. Just awesome.
Absolutely love that Spoonman jam.

Thanks Rick and Karl for that glimpse.
I hope there will be more :-)

[khouri]

I try to resist posting incomplete thoughts here but the dirty epic mix compels me to express how startling and beautiful it is. This is such a cool thing for the band to do. These mixes are giving me chills.

[negative1]

excellent. worth the listen. good candidate for bonus material.

later
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[holden]

Oh amazing! Just when I was whining for something new...this is as treat. Just skipping around the stream, it'll take several listens to fully absorb. But I'm really excited by these lost bits and pieces, they play like the alternate version of dubno, even more so than the dubno DAT, which was fun for including a few outakes and remixes, but felt random and certainly not as strong as the released LP. This mix, even though assembled 20 years later, just...feels....right!

[jose m]

none of the material in this new mix is part of the boxset or the cd re-issue i have been informed :):):)

[jose m]

the bonus stuff on the japanese release is live tracks from the "live in tokyo" cd from years back.

[khouri]

also, dogman go woof. dogman go woof is in the mix and i'm absolutely dying haha.

Where do you hear Dogman Go Woof? I feel ashamed that I haven't spotted it.

[khouri]

Where do you hear Dogman Go Woof? I feel ashamed that I haven't spotted it.

Oh now I hear it. Duh. It's mixed up with Skyscraper and Surfboy.

[potatobroth]

Cutting-room-floor Surfboy crushes the album version. So much more mood. (18:00 or so)

[TheBang]

none of the material in this new mix is part of the boxset or the cd re-issue i have been informed :):):)
Well, I guess we should thank the Misterons for mixing this up for us then!

[Troy McClure]

Thanks to the Misterons for this! What a treat to hear all these sounds in a new and fresh way.

-Jason

[kontakt1968]

Wow what a nice suprise to start the day! Theres a download button on soundcloud too its only 55 mb.

[potatobroth]

Wow what a nice suprise to start the day! Theres a download button on soundcloud too its only 55 mb.

hmm, i dont see it.

[Troy McClure]

hmm, i dont see it.


Try this then..... go to http://anything2mp3.com/

then copy and paste the Misterons' soundcloud link where it says 'Enter the URL to be converted'....

That worked for me.

Hope it works for you.

---Jason

[mickstafa]

So I've never really understood this: what is 'The Misterons?' An alter-ego for Rick and Karl?

[potatobroth]

Try this then..... go to http://anything2mp3.com/

then copy and paste the Misterons' soundcloud link where it says 'Enter the URL to be converted'....

That worked for me.

Hope it works for you.

---Jason

That worked! Thanks Jason!

-Jason ;)

[crank]

none of the material in this new mix is part of the boxset or the cd re-issue i have been informed :):):)

Thanks JOsE M for the Inside Info! Stunned there so MUCH material out there.

Thanks much to the guys!

[crank]

So I've never really understood this: what is 'The Misterons?' An alter-ego for Rick and Karl?

Yes...

[hypeless]

So I've never really understood this: what is 'The Misterons?' An alter-ego for Rick and Karl?

Came to ask the same - I remember the mix, and them being credited on Athens, but never looked into it until now, especially where they're being credited with compiling the 20th Anniversary?

Maybe a name for some broader Tomato effort?

[potatobroth]

i think its just an alter-ego for some of their live broadcasts. like Mr. & Mrs. Christmas.

[TheBang]

The Misterons are Darren Price and Steve Hall, and possibly some others.

[woofmute]

That ending is what the FM mix of Mother Earth should have been, in my opinion.

There's a bit of the lyrics sung weirdly in that one. "I'm coming to get you, if you don't give up". Is that Karl? There's also what sounds like faint laughter at the end of that song.

[potatobroth]

The Misterons are Darren Price and Steve Hall, and possibly some others.

oh, then I stand corrected! I'd no idea!

[khouri]

That ending is what the FM mix of Mother Earth should have been, in my opinion.

There's a bit of the lyrics sung weirdly in that one. "I'm coming to get you, if you don't give up". Is that Karl? There's also what sounds like faint laughter at the end of that song.

My theory is it's Darren Emerson.

[Dunwho]

This is absolutely awesome. I listened to it first the other day at work but you never really get a chance to absorb it fully when you are focussing on something else. The subtle differences and variations on sounds... and the way two sounds that were unrelated in previous releases are used together in this mix... it like Khouri said, an alternate universe or something... an offshoot of our Underworld reality. It feels like a whole album in itself... just love it.

Thanks for this. Can't wait for the release, can't wait for London. Great stuff!

[jetpig]

this is fantastic. I finally got to listen yesterday and it is just wonderful. Anyone wanna take a stab at a track listing?

[Mike]

1. Spoonjam
2. Mmm Surfboy Go Woof
3. Dark & Long Train
4. Epic
5. Daddy Earth

[dubnobasswithme]

Well played, Mike :)

[darktrain]

mmm...some Minneapolis around 19:30, too.

[nelfun5]

Listening to it right now and i love it. Too bad these materials didn't make it to the Dubnobass deluxe edition and are only available in crappy stream quality...
I mean, 128kpbs mp3 for these gems?? What a sacrilege! :eek:

https://whatimg.com/i/AkTzR0.png

[pandamagic]

Listening to it right now and i love it. Too bad these materials didn't make it to the Dubnobass deluxe edition and are only available in crappy stream quality...
I mean, 128kpbs mp3 for these gems?? What a sacrilege! :eek:

https://whatimg.com/i/AkTzR0.png

yeah i think it will be pretty awkward if they end up being transparently better than some of the unreleased tracks on the "dubno" reissue we're getting next month, because they are definitely deserving of better treatment. they are startlingly good for "cast-offs" and are at least as good (and in some cases, better) than some of the bonus tracks that were *actually* released in 1994. makes me wonder what kind of logic dictated which tracks were released and which were shelved back then. like why release "215 miles" but resign that amazing version of "spoonman" to the "cutting room floor?"

[King of Snake]

not to look a gift horse in the mouth but yeah it is kind of a shame. Even a 320kpbs mp3 would have been a big improvement. 128kpbs is so year 2000....

[stimpee]

Has anyone listened more closely since 2014 to work out some sort of vague tracklisting?

[jetpig]

I listen super regularly, but haven't bothered to try and break it down too much. Dunno that I've got quite the ear for it, anyhow. It's like a dubno lite. All the gorgeous beauty and vibe without the intense emotional weight of the album.

[stimpee]

Hands up who's still listening to this on a regular basis.

[khouri]

Hands up who's still listening to this on a regular basis.

Almost once a week,

[hypeless]

Hands up who's still listening to this on a regular basis.

That's an affirmative!

[dubman]

i don't think i've ever heard this one. i have the live broadcast with air towel and that but i think my main attitude when they mentioned the misterons was "what even is that, i don't care" so it passed me by...

[TheBang]

Well, aren't you in for a treat?

[stimpee]

Has anything resembling a tracklist appeared?

[joethelion]

I don't think anything officially has been posted.

But, this is how I separated the tracks

Spoonman (Alt) - 9:29
Dark & Long (Alt) - 5:39
Mmm... Skyscraper? - 12:36
Dirty (Alt) - 15:20
Dirty (Ambiance) - 5:25
Mother Earth (Long Version) - 10:27

It'd be great to know what the actual tracks are - like, I'm curious if that song with the 'Skyscraper-ish' beats actually has a name, plus I hate just using "Alt" to differentiate mixes

Also - thanks for bringing this thread up, I hadn't listened to this mix in a long time!

I wasn't a huge fan of the first 10-15 minutes, so I didn't really listen to it until I figured out how to split mp3's

[khouri]

Well, aren't you in for a treat?

I think perhaps Bang is teasing us with some advanced knowledge...

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

some of these mixes appeared on the dubnobass super deluxe set didn't they?

[khouri]

some of these mixes appeared on the dubnobass super deluxe set didn't they?

IIRC there's a similar version of Spoonman on the Dubnobass... deluxe, but not quite the same as the one on the Cutting Room Floor mix.

[WhiteNoise]

The version of Dark & Long (I think) did appear as a free download on UWlive at one point before the release of this mix. Did that have a title?

[joethelion]

The version of Dark & Long (I think) did appear as a free download on UWlive at one point before the release of this mix. Did that have a title?

oh yeah - I forgot about that...

I just did a quick comparison, and I think you're right - it is the same version

the download was titled: Dark and Long (Dark Train Jam)

[iamneorev]

Anyone here have a Soundcloud Go account??? I heard that Go members get higher streaming quality. Has anyone with a Go account tried ripping Saved From The Cutting Room Floor Mix? I heard Go is 256kbps instead of the usual 128kbps. If possible, figure the best we can get. I wish UW would put it up on their Bandcamp. Tried tagging them and messaging them suggesting it.

[TheBang]

Anyone here have a Soundcloud Go account??? I heard that Go members get higher streaming quality. Has anyone with a Go account tried ripping Saved From The Cutting Room Floor Mix? I heard Go is 256kbps instead of the usual 128kbps.
Well, shit. It worked.

https://www.borndirty.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Saved-from-the-cutting-room-floor-mix_-Underworld-vs-The-Misterons-165709350.m4a

[iamneorev]

Well, shit. It worked.

https://www.borndirty.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Saved-from-the-cutting-room-floor-mix_-Underworld-vs-The-Misterons-165709350.m4a

:insert holy shit face:

[darmok]

Well, shit. It worked.


THANK YOUUUUUUU :bows:

[crank]

markedly improved. Many thanks!

[jetpig]

Thanks for the upgrade! This Skyscraper jam is really top notch, always blows me away that this is the stuff that *didn't* make the cut.

[khouri]

HOLY SHIT

[negative1]

am i missing something.

it's the same music.
yeah, in better quality, which i appreciate.

but, i guess if you've never heard it before.

later
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[iamneorev]

am i missing something.

it's the same music.
yeah, in better quality, which i appreciate.

but, i guess if you've never heard it before.

later
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It's better quality than the old 128kbps. Soundcloud claims their 256 AAC is equivalent to 320. But many of us want this in the best possible quality we can get. And this update is a step in that direction. Hopefully Rick and Karl will surprise us one day with proper lossless. But this is a nice upgrade.

[holden]

am i missing something.

it's the same music.
yeah, in better quality, which i appreciate.

but, i guess if you've never heard it before.

later
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Haha, yeah, I suspect the crapping of pants is mostly from first time listeners. This was released almost 6 years ago. I relistened to my 128 kbs version burnt into CD (!! Old skool roll), then the new rip. Pants weren't crapped. Sure, a better fidelity is always appreciated. I guess I spent too many years listening to 64 kbs bootlegs full of crowd noise to be too bothered. As long as the listening experience is enjoyable, without artifacts or distraction or distortion, I'm not too concerned about the bitrate, format or tracking down the best, biggest lossless version. The human ear can only discern so much, and as we all know, remastered doesn't always mean better (brick walls and all). Still, thanks for the new rip. Great mix, as it was and is! I possibly crapped for joy in 2014 from this essential mix!

[khouri]

I've listened to this thing many times over the years and I found the fidelity upgrade really profound. Might just be my ears, of course. But I was really delighted.

[iamneorev]

I've listened to this thing many times over the years and I found the fidelity upgrade really profound. Might just be my ears, of course. But I was really delighted.

Yup, definitely sounds better. You'd be surprised of the big difference between 128kbps to 256kbps. The lower the kbps the more crushed and claustrophobic it sounds. The rip we had cut off around 16khz, this one goes to 21khz. It makes a difference.

[holden]

Yup, definitely sounds better. You'd be surprised of the big difference between 128kbps to 256kbps. The lower the kbps the more crushed and claustrophobic it sounds. The rip we had cut off around 16khz, this one goes to 21khz. It makes a difference.
Ok, audiophiles. I know it's better, it sounds nice. It did 4 years back, too. That's all. It's an upgrade, appreciated, but let's not go insane.
And this is old news, but 128 to 256 mbs is not that discernible an improvement:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2007/04/can-anyone-tell-the-difference-between-music-files-at-128-kbps-and-256-kbps.html

[iamneorev]

Ok, audiophiles. I know it's better, it sounds nice. It did 4 years back, too. That's all. It's an upgrade, appreciated, but let's not go insane.
And this is old news, but 128 to 256 mbs is not that discernible an improvement:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2007/04/can-anyone-tell-the-difference-between-music-files-at-128-kbps-and-256-kbps.html

My bad, meant to say 256AAC. Technically, this is an M4A file and Soundcloud Go is 256AAC, which is the equivalent to a 320kbps. Before, ripping from Soundcloud online, you'd get a 128kbps file. This is why we're getting 21-22khz now if you have a Go account.

"256 AAC is equivalent, if not slightly better than 320 MP3. The high-frequency encoding is more efficient (more faithful to the original audio)."

Hence the audible difference. So, yes, those who want this in the best possible quality, there is reason to be excited. Is it ok for us to be happy?

[khouri]

Ok, audiophiles. I know it's better, it sounds nice. It did 4 years back, too. That's all. It's an upgrade, appreciated, but let's not go insane]

Stop policing my amazing hearing!

[iamneorev]

Stop policing my amazing hearing!

https://cdn1-www.afterellen.com/assets/uploads/2018/02/A2280DEA-1F50-4E70-9C7D-F51A71A54D5E.gif

[holden]

I wish you total happiness in all your UW listening experiences and am sorry I ever doubted your discerning ears! 😜

And yes, it is a fantastic mix, regardless of the bitrate. I grew up appreciating whatever I got, especially for free.

[negative1]

Personally i'm used to the 128, but of course higher can sound better.
I've never been an audiophile. So even uncompressed 192/48 bluray
audio is better, but I don't have the equipment for it.

I used to listen to things on headphones a lot more in the 90's, and 00's.
But in the 10's, and 20's, i usually just listen on the computer, or in the car.

So, all this audio improvement isnt really that noticeable. And I don't have that
great of an audio system in my car (or previous one). I had a ghetto USB
speaker system that I used to hook up to my phone for playback.

Currently I am using car speakers, hooked up to a USB (Cassette player shaped) MP3
player (that uses microSD cards - how retro is that).

I got tired of choosing playlists through my phone, so I custom select tracks for the
microSD card, and switch them like albums or short playlists on the USB player.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61Szq55GwUL._AC_SL1001_.jpg

convoluted, i know. but it works for me.

later
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[iamneorev]

Personally i'm used to the 128, but of course higher can sound better.
I've never been an audiophile. So even uncompressed 192/48 bluray
audio is better, but I don't have the equipment for it.

I used to listen to things on headphones a lot more in the 90's, and 00's.
But in the 10's, and 20's, i usually just listen on the computer, or in the car.

So, all this audio improvement isnt really that noticeable. And I don't have that
great of an audio system in my car (or previous one). I had a ghetto USB
speaker system that I used to hook up to my phone for playback.

Currently I am using car speakers, hooked up to a USB (Cassette player shaped) MP3
player (that uses microSD cards - how retro is that).

I got tired of choosing playlists through my phone, so I custom select tracks for the
microSD card, and switch them like albums or short playlists on the USB player.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61Szq55GwUL._AC_SL1001_.jpg

convoluted, i know. but it works for me.

later
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I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 4 with a 256gb SD card and Poweramp Pro loaded. Poweramp is a great music player, which can handle and output 24 bit audio if your phone has the capability for 24 bit playback like the Note 4. Since my car stereo ain't that amazing, but it does have a stereo 1/8" in, I load the SD card AND phone data with 320kbps MP3s. Most of them are 44khz and some are 48khz if they were converted from 24 bit files with 48+khz. This allows me to have a shit ton of music on me at all times while I am out. I do plan on picking up a bigger SD card.

As for headphones, I have Audio Technica ATH-M50Xs.

For home stereo listening, I use my studio computer with a Roland MX-1 24/96 audio interface/mixer into Tannoy Reveal 802 studio monitors, which sound lovely.

[purlieu]

I've done listening tests and I can't tell the difference between 256kbps mp3 and FLAC, so going a step further into 24/48 and such would be a total waste of time and money for me. I'm much more interested in the tunes than the sound quality over a certain point anyway.

[negative1]

I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 4 with a 256gb SD card and Poweramp Pro loaded. Poweramp is a great music player, which can handle and output 24 bit audio if your phone has the capability for 24 bit playback like the Note 4. Since my car stereo ain't that amazing, but it does have a stereo 1/8" in, I load the SD card AND phone data with 320kbps MP3s. Most of them are 44khz and some are 48khz if they were converted from 24 bit files with 48+khz. This allows me to have a shit ton of music on me at all times while I am out. I do plan on picking up a bigger SD card.

As for headphones, I have Audio Technica ATH-M50Xs.

For home stereo listening, I use my studio computer with a Roland MX-1 24/96 audio interface/mixer into Tannoy Reveal 802 studio monitors, which sound lovely.

isn't it bizarre how almost no phones, have a headphone jack anymore.

i don't think i ever want to listen to bluetooth audio, or wireless. its just sounds like a hassle.

one of the reason i still use an ancient windows 7 phone, is it has
a headphone jack, and outputs at full volume to headphones and speakers.

i have a newer phone that i don't use that has a headphone jack, but the
output is terrible.

later
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[iamneorev]

isn't it bizarre how almost no phones, have a headphone jack anymore.

i don't think i ever want to listen to bluetooth audio, or wireless. its just sounds like a hassle.

one of the reason i still use an ancient windows 7 phone, is it has
a headphone jack, and outputs at full volume to headphones and speakers.

i have a newer phone that i don't use that has a headphone jack, but the
output is terrible.

later
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Yea, it really sucks the way phones are going, like we're going backwards. I also stay away from bluetooth. I recently picked up a Samsung Galaxy Tab S5E tablet in which you have to use a converter cable from the charger input that has an 1/8" jack.

[WhiteNoise]

I'm pretty certain this message board now discusses bitrates and lossy / lossless audio more than it does Underworld

[holden]

I'm pretty certain this message board now discusses bitrates and lossy / lossless audio more than it does Underworld

Haha, I know! Well, we all need something to collect or improve upon in these crazy times.

But I really shouldn't have entered the fray...I was a 21 year old grad student listening to a CD player while the 18 year olds had new iPods. Old fart! I was fine with whatever bitrate I could download freely as long as it was listenable. I'm still pissed that my 2017 model car has no CD player and I have to rip to a USB (Bluetooth is poop). Where's the spontaneity of picking a daily album to listen to on your commute?

But I get it, we want and expect a certain quality now. Sure, I don't want to listen to music that sounds like crap. But as I said above, the latest remasters are often unlistenable, too. And as a producer, I'm very appreciative of anything released for free. Look, if you first heard "Born Slippy" on a dubbed cassette, a FLAC file might make your week. Or, you might always associate that first listen with the fidelity of it's time. I'm not interested in debating which "sounds better". Our listening experiences are unique.

By the way, been listening to digital versions of tracks from artists I first heard on some lo fi cassette dubs. Yeah, I hear new elements, but mostly I just enjoy the rediscovery and nostalgia. Upgrades are nice but the format debate is old and boring.