Do you share your Underworld mp3s? [Archive]

stimpee

11-23-2005, 03:40 AM

As an avid Underworld fan, I'm sure you have a lot of Underworld stuff that you've either bought or copied from the net. I've encoded all my CDs to mp3@320 and do use some P2P apps like slsk. However, I don't put the Underworld discs in the share. Just wondering if and how many dirty.org members do actively/passively distribute their collections like this? If so, why?

Eikman

11-23-2005, 03:47 AM

what's soulseek?

stimpee

11-23-2005, 03:50 AM

well, you must know you smart ass because I only wrote slsk, not soulseek. Now answer the poll/thread and stop asking dumb questions :)

lloyd

11-23-2005, 03:52 AM

No I don't, I hardly ever download or share commercial available albums and never of my favorite artists (is there a feeling guilty line there??). What I want, I buy. But then again, I'm one of the oldtimers/dinos.I'm buying cds and dvds when they are released if I really really want them or wait till they're reduced in price if I just want them or 2ndhand if I stumble on them browsing my fav recordshop. What I do though is download lots of live shows in audio and video.

Eikman

11-23-2005, 03:52 AM

oh shit. i got PWNED! :D

groovypanda

11-23-2005, 03:59 AM

i don't really get this - if you use soulseek or any other p2p server then what you're doing is stealing (and helping others steal) music - it doesn't matter if you don't share the commercial releases of your favourite band or not as all the other stuff you do share makes you just as much a participant in illegal activities

i use soulseek a hell of a lot and so yes i'm depriving some artists from receiving my hard earned cash but i still do buy a lot of music, most of which i discover through soulseek in the first place. what i don't do is upload all of my CDs to my shared folders (at least not since the awesome audiogalaxy and its 'send to group' feature died out :( )

Eikman

11-23-2005, 04:12 AM

i don't really get this - if you use soulseek or any other p2p server then what you're doing is stealing (and helping others steal) music - it doesn't matter if you don't share the commercial releases of your favourite band or not as all the other stuff you do share makes you just as much a participant in illegal activities

exactly. just because you don't share music by your favorite artist doesn't make the whole thing more acceptable or less illegal. it might make you feel better, but that's ridiculous after all. share everything or nothing.

stimpee

11-23-2005, 04:30 AM

Thats not the question here. The legality of p2p's can be saved for another time. I'm just wondering about the Underworld, especially if you've bought the CDs. Sure, I share a lot on slsk but not UW, or other bands I feel more strongly about. Maybe it depends on how strongly you feel for them, I don't know. But, if you'd just bought the new Underworld album on CD from your local store and a guy came upto you with his laptop outside and asked if he could rip it, would you let him? I'm not taking any moral highground here, just wanting to get in your heads and make you think.

Pancetta

11-23-2005, 04:41 AM

everybody just answer no to this one then we'll keep getting MP3's from the shop!

Leon

11-23-2005, 04:55 AM

I only share non-album tracks, recordings of new tracks/unfinished tracks from the radio shows and that's it.

groovypanda

11-23-2005, 04:58 AM

I'm just wondering about the Underworld, especially if you've bought the CDs. Sure, I share a lot on slsk but not UW, or other bands I feel more strongly about. Maybe it depends on how strongly you feel for them, I don't know. but then what about a band you feel really strongly about and want to share this great music with your mates - i did that with UW originally back when dubno... came out - gave all my mates copies of the album - and without exception, each and every one of them then went on to buy second toughest when that came out.

and what about a great new band like arctic monkeys whose rapid rise to success so far has mainly come out because of file sharing - and still enough people went out and bought the single to send it straight to number one!

the mongoose

11-23-2005, 05:05 AM

I only share needles and condoms.:D

Jason Roth

11-23-2005, 05:17 AM

I only share needles and condoms.:D

that's hot!

the real stuff

11-23-2005, 05:46 AM

I've purchased a lot of Underworld, including all of their albums and a dozen or so of their EPs and single releases. I've also ripped all of these CDs to my computer and actively share my music library to anyone else on my local area network (which is everyone in my apartment complex).

I like to pretend that one day someone might stumble across an Underworld track in my library and go "this is f-in' brilliant!" and become a fan ;) That's really what makes me feel okay about sharing my library.

potatobroth

11-23-2005, 06:24 AM

nope. just live mp3s and a few random tracks like dogman or jamscraper

stimpee

11-23-2005, 06:24 AM

Interesting responses. There is the aspect that sharing your recordings will lead people into buying more but then if you share everything (at high bitrates?) then aren't they just gonna download everything? I can see the point of giving copies to your friends because you want them to enjoy it. But what do you give them?

The legality of it for me is not the question. I guess it is how deeply I feel for a particular artist, how much they have given me musically and what that has meant to me, and basically how much I respect an artist.

Of course, just because I've bought all the CDs doesnt mean I am allowed to share them all over my favourite P2P apps but I was just trying to ascertain whether its crossed Dirt's minds feelings of guilt, respect, legality or actually crossed their minds at all.

If you want to share Underworld, why share the stuff thats available in the shops, for instance? I can see Leon's point of view in this respect. If you want to get people interested in Underworld you don't need to give them commercially available stuff (is maybe his point, i dont know).

just rambling thoughts here.

viddy

11-23-2005, 06:26 AM

I share Underworld mp3s on CD. I give mp3s to friends on CDs or a DVD data disc. Often I give the 1992-2000 album, along with a whole host of other artists stuff. I return I get a DVD-rom of their taste in music.

Caprice

11-23-2005, 06:33 AM

I own all the albums and a fair ammount of singles. I own the EE DVD. Im the type of person who does not like to share music. it is unorganized and messy.

Im the type of person who is willing to buy and would rather have the hard copy of something. When Lovely Broken Thing was released, i was dissapointed. Because i wanted a CD to buy! not some MP3!!!!!

But i will admit. I have the European Club Gig, and Bootleg Babies. And seeing how you cant buy these anywhere, because they technically dont exist, how is it stealing?

tiq

11-23-2005, 06:45 AM

i don't share my underworld mp3's, let people buy their own
but i do put short fragments, of less then a minute, on other fora i visit
(to audiolise a review)

but as caprice said: i'dd like to have lovely broken thing on cd or/and vinyl

stimpee

11-23-2005, 06:59 AM

groovypanda

11-23-2005, 07:17 AM

If you want to share Underworld, why share the stuff thats available in the shops, for instance? umm, because that's their best stuff :confused:

BeautifulBurnout

11-23-2005, 07:34 AM

I only share non-released live stuff. And altho I have used the likes of slsk in the past, I don't any more, on a point of principle as much as anything else. I guess I am a dino like Lloyd and old habits die hard, in that I tend to buy stuff I really want as soon as it is released, and wait for other stuff to be in the bargain bucket.

big screen satellite

11-23-2005, 07:53 AM

everybody just answer no to this one then we'll keep getting MP3's from the shop!

its not that simple...

people share, whether its us here or not...it'll happen

UW are aware files get shared...they won't stop because a few people share their music...

and isn't the spreading the music the most important thing here...its not about money or copywrites all teh time is it?

i mean iTunes seems to be doing alright with people buying mp3's, albiet the fact that loads of people 'share' as well...in fact mp3 buying is one of the fastest growing 'businesses' so i don't think that the sharing issue is that much of a problem, especially as more people are scared of getting 'nicked' for illegal sharing / d/ling

i share, but only when i want something in return, its not like i'm ever up for long anyway

most of the time, i'll d/l something if i wanna hear it then go buy the album...

big screen satellite

11-23-2005, 07:57 AM

as an aside to my above post - i have no friends and so the internet fraternity are my friends - so everyone who is online is like a buddy ;)

take what you like :D

i have my massive colelction of hard copy stuff here to wallow in anyway... :D

(and i'm trying to buy up everything else, so sharing is the only way you'll get it ;) )

spoonman

11-23-2005, 08:47 AM

dubman

11-23-2005, 08:57 AM

well, i haven't before.. because i would have slsk on a computer that would only have the mp3s i've downloaded in the last month or so.

that's not to say that *if* i had it on my ibook (which is getting more underworld fed to it every week (it's new)) i wouldnt share them.
no one downloads anything from me anyway, so i don't really care.

i don't translate respect and love for an artist by explicitly not sharing their files. as someone who used to be perpetually broke until very recently, i understand how one does not just BUY things they HEAR about.
they often just want to check it out. and if it's not thier thing, then dont let em spend $15 on it.
if they do like it and still dont buy it, well, if they like to have a music collection comprised of deteriorating ones and zeros, that's their priority, i suppose.

dubman

11-23-2005, 09:06 AM

About me i always shared my underworld's mp3 , i thin it's very imoportant to do this, for many people it's the 1st occasion to listen to the underworld's sound, also i have many friend in soulseek that i trade with them like mt best friend ' Undarreworld'.

About their rare gigs i give them if only some one give me something new !
it's a great honnor to have more than 90 Shows !

out of curiosity, which ones actually have good sound? i'm looking for a ratio or percentage...
i have about 40 putzing around on different hard drives and i swear about 30 of them are worth their size, and that's being generous. and the more gigs i get, the more i feel that i'm scraping the barrel.

den

11-23-2005, 09:21 AM

I guess mine is shared by default. I'm not on soulseek very often. If you follow the "righteous" school of sharing music, then I think it's ok to share commercially available stuff, the idea being that one will download music to sample and then buy it later.

That's what I do in theory, but recently I realized that I haven't really put that into practice. You have to be honest with yourself: Once you download an album, and if you like it, how often do you go out and buy it later? Once you have the music, it's too easy to justify not buying the cd. You rationalize to yourself that you don't really like it so much that you want to pay for it. There's no definitive amount of "liking-ness" where you can determine if you will purchase the cd or not. After I realized this, I've been buying a lot more cds lately. But the problem still remains.

Most people say they download and then buy later, but no one does that 100% of the time. I'm sure everyone who shares music has downloaded something, kept it and not deleted it, and yet not purchased it. You have to be careful that you're not just saying you buy things later to feel good about yourself. That, or just have no qualms about stealing music.

Also, not saying that anyone does this, but it's silly to download albums from other bands, and share those, but keep Underworld separate. Why give special treatment to one band?

Besides, I never really see anyone downloading Underworld from me, so they must not be that good.

dubman

11-23-2005, 09:37 AM

That's what I do in theory, but recently I realized that I haven't really put that into practice. You have to be honest with yourself: Once you download an album, and if you like it, how often do you go out and buy it later? Once you have the music, it's too easy to justify not buying the cd. You rationalize to yourself that you don't really like it so much that you want to pay for it. There's no definitive amount of "liking-ness" where you can determine if you will purchase the cd or not. After I realized this, I've been buying a lot more cds lately. But the problem still remains.

Most people say they download and then buy later, but no one does that 100% of the time.

well, i do my best...

my top 50 list for this year is essentialy the list for checklisting the albums i should be getting as well. and occasionaly, when i feel pretty grand, i'll just up and order animal collective and the Go team because i've enjoyed the music for quite some time and i feel like it's a good album to have for many many years.

of course, this might change if and when my budgetary situation becomes more constrained, but as long as i feel that i can afford it, i'll buy it.

the real stuff

11-23-2005, 09:43 AM

King of Snake

11-23-2005, 09:48 AM

Yes I share and download commercially released stuff. I think the only commercial UW i have shared is 1992-2002 and some singles, just cause I don't have the other stuff as mp3. Most of the uw stuff i share is liveshows and remixes.
I do try and buy cd's that I've downloaded if i really like them and find myself playing them regularly. I don't do it 100% of the time, but now that I've got a job and regular salary, I'm buying more music, and also buying actual cd's that I only had copies of before.

dubman

11-23-2005, 09:55 AM

Maybe this is raising people's standards -- these days a CD has to be a little more worthy in the consumer's eye before he decides to buy it. Otherwise he could just download it for free off soulseek, right?

I've been exposed to a lot of artists through downloading mp3s -- Underworld included -- and for some of those artists I now own their entire back catalogue. These are some of my favorite bands now.

The process of discovering new music on the internet with no risk involved is (arguably) an improvement over what we might have done before, which is buying a CD in the store based on something you might have heard and ultimately not digging it much. There was a risk of not getting your money's worth. Downloading free music eliminates this risk.

Not saying that makes it right or wrong, just offering my thoughts.

i'll go the extra mile and say that *is* what makes it right.

to think that some years ago people would drop a 20 on a CD they had a 50/50 chance of giving it to the bargain bin... it's nuts.
maybe not so much for those with a bank account, but when you're 13-16 or so, it kinda sucks getting ripped off with a bad CD. and probably keeps people away from getting as involved in music as others.
now people KNOW what they like before they potentially buy it, making music their money's worth, instead of marketing teams blinding you with PR and dodgy reviews.

i remember being 14 and thinking "i really, REALLY dont want to spend ten dollars on an orbital single with three tracks" so GUESS WHAT? i stole it! now i know there's no one to blame there but myself, and it's wrong, but since napster and having regular access to P2P programs from then on, that attitude really dropped off (that and me growing up and deciding shoplifting is a shitty thing to do in life...;) )

gambit

11-23-2005, 10:13 AM

I do but only stuff that is incredibly difficult to find. I don't share the albums or live album or anthology (or a couple EPs).

Bargo

11-23-2005, 10:14 AM

The only Underworld stuff I share are bootlegs, same as any other artist in my P2P share settings.

stimpee

11-23-2005, 10:35 AM

Why give special treatment to one band?Because you respect them more than other bands? I did say " I guess it is how deeply I feel for a particular artist, how much they have given me musically and what that has meant to me, and basically how much I respect an artist."

I'll probably end up sharing the live bootlegs again though. I think I took the UW offline about 6 months ago, as I realised that out of all the bands I've been into, theyve given me more than any other. I suppose thats just a sign of good music (or me getting old).

noisegeek

11-23-2005, 12:02 PM

I have a cd with approx 25 mp3s that I will occasionally give to someone as an "Underworld Intro". Here in the midwest most people are only familiar with Underworld as a dance act (if they've heard of them at all), so if I think someone might be into them I try to provide a better sampling of Underworld's variety.
I'm an Underworld pusher.

den

11-23-2005, 01:45 PM

Because you respect them more than other bands? I did say " I guess it is how deeply I feel for a particular artist, how much they have given me musically and what that has meant to me, and basically how much I respect an artist."
I see your point about appreciating and respecting a band. I could see not wanting to make the entire catalogue of band you love available for someone to come and take for free. On the other hand, one could make the point that not sharing music would keep other people from being exposed to that band who might grow to love them as much as you do. But of course, no one has an obligation to share music. Personal preferences.

Not trying to twist your reasoning, but for the sake of discussion, is it ok for someone to share music of bands that they respect less? Does sharing a band's music become a sign of disrespect?

stimpee

11-23-2005, 03:54 PM

I see your point about appreciating and respecting a band. I could see not wanting to make the entire catalogue of band you love available for someone to come and take for free. On the other hand, one could make the point that not sharing music would keep other people from being exposed to that band who might grow to love them as much as you do. which is where the argument for only sharing the bootlegs and non-commercially released stuff would come in i suppose. music by the band is available in your share for people to experience but not the cd's available in the shops (or in the case of LovelyBrokenThing, online).
Not trying to twist your reasoning, but for the sake of discussion, is it ok for someone to share music of bands that they respect less? Does sharing a band's music become a sign of disrespect?I think that as most people share music then it cant be seen a sign of disrespect to share it. too much music and too many bands. but to not share it, is not the norm these days and so is probably more of a sign of respect.

stimpee

11-24-2005, 02:13 AM

Anyway, nice poll so far. 17 no, 18 yes (if you total em)...

Puppy

11-24-2005, 03:52 AM

I don't share any of the UW LPs but I do share all of the remixes and b-sides I've gathered over time from picking up old singles.

I have no ethical problems with this, mainly because there are a lot of great tracks that I think any UW fan would love to have, but the chances finding e.g. the pearls girl single (with Oich Oich and Cherry Pie) in a shop are very slim. Fair enough if you can go into a shop and buy the tracks then I personally would do that, but realisticly P2P is a better choice for getting the more elusive numbers.

Anyway, I'm sure UW wouldn't be pissed at fans for swapping old tracks that came from cds that stopped being made years ago....

sloff

11-28-2005, 08:30 AM

I have some rarities, underworldlive.com tracks (free ones, not Lovely Broken Thing), out of prints, and live stuff up in my downloads folder. I think this is far game to share since its no longer or never was any potential income to the guys. This is also the stuff I have in my wishlist on slsk, ie Rowla long, limited promo mixes, and some of those dirtylist KoS mixes I lost when my harddrive crashed out.
I really put some effort into trying to pick up hard copies of what I can and those don't get shared.

oversight

11-28-2005, 11:58 AM

Respect..
Ethical problems..
Only bootlegs..
Personal preferences..
Commercially available..
The legality of p2p's..

You do know what?

i have a confession to make..
i have an uncountable amount of songs, of melodies, of lyrics,, of stories that i would like to share with my friends, my acquaintances, my family,, and maybe even my enemies..
my brain is the very source of illegal copies of legal data.. i should therefore be executed on sight..

Does anyone want to share my thought?? ;)

polar_action

11-29-2005, 01:55 AM

Taking UW out of the picture for a moment...

I'm a huge fan of p2p sharing and argue that it encourages diversity in the individuals’ musical taste without hurting the artist.

My personal experience reveals a new habit. When I'm introduced to new music via radio and the internet, p2p gives me the opportunity to instantly get a feel for the artist and all their music. My decision is then made whether I like it or not.

More often than not, I do end up buying these CDs (as a visit to the record store is one of my joys in life) and I can honestly say that the more I download, the more I spend eventually on CDs.

According to the RIAA, CD sales are increasing (March 2005) so it seems to me that I’m not the only one who has this new “try before you buy” habit.

Still the RIAA are on the case of the p2p users but in my humble opinion, the corporate fat cats simply want the moon on a stick. It's simple business to them and that means making money. They're not in it for the music or artistry.

Taking all this into account and putting UW back in the picture, I haven’t, and don’t intend to share UW “Lovely Broken Thing”. The release of music solely via websites is challenging my sharing view and in this instance I feel some kind of loyalty to UW. This I think would not happen if it were Westlife, and for some amazing reason I had to get a hold of one of their tracks.

So, in essence, I’m a fussy bugger.

Dave