Ansum — A Hundred Days Off industry promo

[swift]

what about the possible 13 minute version of 'mo move',
got all excited when i saw the timing on the promo cover... but of course the
track was shorter..

http://s.dsimg.com/image/R-606941-1243560376.jpeg
later
-1

well — this version exists. and i own it. :cool:

things are as follows. a good friend of mine, who used to work at v2 records years ago, recently gave me a promo of a hundred days off for internal use at the record company (a so called 'industry promo', as i am told). i was going to put a post up here next week or so (after clearing some deadlines) but since this subject comes up now, here is my post.

the cd turns out to be a pre-mastered version of ahdo. it's a cdr in a plain white sleeve with a photocopy of printed titles glued to the front.

the album is still called 'ansum'. tracks are in a different order and it misses little speaker, which gives the album a different overall feel. all the tracks are at least slightly different from the final ahdo. most of this is due to the final mixing and mastering. but sometimes the difference is more apparent (such as longer/shorter fadeouts, or changes in percussion. the latter most noteably in trim and ballet lane).

but, by far the most interesting are the much longer versions of mo move and twist. twist is more than two minutes longer: 8.47. it ends with a harder, percussive bit. damn good. and mo move, twice as long at 13.49, extends with what became the ambient-ish second part of little speaker on ahdo, but then longer. which sounds pretty logical, actually...

i did not find any mention of this promo anywhere on the net... did anybody else here know of its existence? i think i saw some promos listed with this track listing, but then the actual music resembled the final ahdo...

this is the tracklisting:

1. two months off — 9.07
2. twist — 8.47
3. sola systim — 6.11
4. ess gee — 2.17
5. mo move — 13.49
6. trim — 3.18
7. dinosaur adventure 3d — 7.55
8. ballet lane — 3.26
9. luetin — 7.06
total time — 61.55

swift

[charleswise]

I want to hear this.

[negative1]

well — this version exists. and i own it. :cool:

but, by far the most interesting are the much longer versions of mo move and twist. twist is more than two minutes longer: 8.47. it ends with a harder, percussive bit. damn good. and mo move, twice as long at 13.49, extends with what became the ambient-ish second part of little speaker on ahdo, but then longer. which sounds pretty logical, actually...

i did not find any mention of this promo anywhere on the net... did anybody else here know of its existence? i think i saw some promos listed with this track listing, but then the actual music resembled the final ahdo...


swift

hey swift,
that's pretty cool..

would be interesting to hear these versions of course....
i always figured there was something behind the timing listed incorrectly...

you have a nice rarity there..

the order of the tracks is kind of odd though..
it would have been cool if they had added a b-side,
or the track 'ansum' though..

well, keep us posted on anything else..
i know a lot of people would be grateful to
hear or preview this..

later
-1

[BrotherLovesDub]

Hopefully the spirit that persuaded the kind person to share the Dubno DAT will also encourage Swift to share as well.

[negative1]

hmm.. one more thing..

what other 'imaginary' versions and tracks might
be out there?! i seem to have a knack for these.....

maybe some unreleased 'second toughest in the infants' ones next!

later
-1

[swift]

of course i will share :)
i enjoyed the dubno dat too, and all kinds of other stuff i got through here...

but not at this moment, unfortunately. a have to prepare & upload, and i need some sleep now. busy day tomorrow, but i will find some time the coming days.

what shall i do? i guess i will just upload aiff-files to rtsr?

indeed -1, i also wondered about the incorrect time listing on my adho promo... things always have logical reasons.

and to supply the first demands, here is a scan of the cover.

later,
swift

[negative1]

of course i will share :)
i enjoyed the dubno dat too, and all kinds of other stuff i got through here...

but not at this moment, unfortunately. a have to prepare & upload, and i need some sleep now. busy day tomorrow, but i will find some time the coming days.

what shall i do? i guess i will just upload aiff-files to rtsr?

indeed -1, i also wondered about the incorrect time listing on my adho promo... things always have logical reasons.

and to supply the first demands, here is a scan of the cover.

later,
swift

very kind of you to do this..no rush..
it's been several years,so a little bit longer can't hurt...

either wav files or a cd iso would be the best format for rtsr..

well that's one more mystery solved!

later
-1

[BrotherLovesDub]

I am torn on AHDO. I absolutely love 4 or 5 tracks and a couple b-sides. The rest of it is kind of meh.

[Champiness]

Well! This is certainly interesting! Also, I never knew that Ansum was AHDO's working title. And then they named a B-Side after it... huh. Any chance this'll appear off of RTSR?

[negative1]

Well! This is certainly interesting! Also, I never knew that Ansum was AHDO's working title. And then they named a B-Side after it... huh. Any chance this'll appear off of RTSR?

it probably shouldn't.. but aren't you on rtsr? you should be!
(otherwise someone will help you out..)

later
-1

[stimpee]

Sounds interesting.

Links to RTSR are on the main born dirty page at the bottom of the page. FLAC torrent preferred over AIFF (for download size). After that I'm sure someone will repackage with a 320kbps V0 mp3. Either way, its better off on RTSR where it will be given a good home and not some rapidshare link that expires in 30days, and gets lost in a thread on a forum (amongst other reasons).

[big screen satellite]

Well! This is certainly interesting! Also, I never knew that Ansum was AHDO's working title. And then they named a B-Side after it... huh. Any chance this'll appear off of RTSR?


well i had an industry promo of the finished album which was entitled, A Hundred Years, Ansum

see here (http://www.bigscreensatellite.com/ahdo.htm) for details - it was however the standard album, as I checked it all against the original....

not sure where the pictures are though

[joethelion]

WOW - THIS COULD BE AWESOME

but... one thing -

when / if it comes up on rtsr - could someone please send me a copy through dropbox or something???

I'm on pay-as-you go internet at my Flat, so torrents are incredibly EXPENSIVE
and I seem to be behind a firewall at my studio... every time I've tried to download a torrent, even with ones I KNOW are active - my torrent client acts like no one is seeding.

...additionally the timing of this is great - as I was going to try and make a massively long version of "Mo Move" (incorporating "Ansum" "Quick Bit for the Web" and those two tracks ripped from WISP that were posted up here - I forget their titles off the top of my head)

[deckard236]

Hopefully the spirit that persuaded the kind person to share the Dubno DAT will also encourage Swift to share as well.

I second that comment :)

[Mike]

Nice one Mr Swift, I can't wait to hear this, really nice find.

BTW, im feeling technical today -> Considering its taken nearly 10 years to surface, I wouldn't categorise this as an "Industry Promo" - my interpretation of "Industry Promo" as something circulated to the music industry, DJ's, magazines etc.. and DJ's regularly clear out their promo loot on eBay, im sure we would have found this earlier.

I think this could actually be something that was meant for an intimate circle of people, for feedback. Perhaps "Demo" is a more fitting term.

[stimpee]

when / if it comes up on rtsr - could someone please send me a copy through dropbox or something???I'll PM you when the time comes.

[Dirty0900]

So is this version that appeared as the misprinted time on the DVD case AHDO promo?

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

So is this version that appeared as the misprinted time on the DVD case AHDO promo?

My first thought exactly.

[crank]

I am torn on AHDO. I absolutely love 4 or 5 tracks and a couple b-sides. The rest of it is kind of meh.

Just curious:
So which do you like, and which do you think are just "meh"

[BrotherLovesDub]

LOVE:

mo move
twist
trim
luetin
Two Months Off (but i'm really sick of it right now, still including it because it is a great song)
Ansum

kind of meh:

Little Speaker (would love this if not for that horrible off-beat percussion thing)
DA3D (days when I really like this but mostly it's too aggro for me)
The others just kind of exist with no feelings one way or the other i.e. the cuddle bunnies of AHDO

[Mike]

I used to love Luetin, but to me it sounds dated now. Although I still like how vocally intense it gets.

[nelfun5]

but, by far the most interesting are the much longer versions of mo move and twist. twist is more than two minutes longer: 8.47. it ends with a harder, percussive bit. damn good. and mo move, twice as long at 13.49, extends with what became the ambient-ish second part of little speaker on ahdo, but then longer. which sounds pretty logical, actually...

Im' dying to hear this!! :D Thanks for sharing this into rtsr :)

[ultradave]

:eek:

i'm interested in hearing this too. Thanks!

[crank]

I'm in 98% agreement with you!

LOVE:

mo move
twist
trim
luetin
Two Months Off (but i'm really sick of it right now, still including it because it is a great song)
Ansum

kind of meh:

Little Speaker (would love this if not for that horrible off-beat percussion thing)
DA3D (days when I really like this but mostly it's too aggro for me)
The others just kind of exist with no feelings one way or the other i.e. the cuddle bunnies of AHDO

[Champiness]

What's the other 2%?
Also, I'm pretty sure I'm a member of RTSR. I mean, I know for a fact I'm signed up to the tracker. But whenever I try to use my Yahoo login to get on the FTP (mageepuppy@optonline.net), I get refused. Was I not confirmed or something?

[stimpee]

What's the other 2%?
Also, I'm pretty sure I'm a member of RTSR. I mean, I know for a fact I'm signed up to the tracker. But whenever I try to use my Yahoo login to get on the FTP (mageepuppy@optonline.net), I get refused. Was I not confirmed or something?You are indeed a member, joined Feb 11, 2010. I had this problem recently that I couldnt login. I fixed it by changing my yahoo password.

[joethelion]

I think AHDO is a very good album... but it could have been an incredible one had there been some changes here and there, like:

Mo Move should've been longer. Before this thread came up - I was actually about to make an 'extended mix' of it using the album version, those two tracks ripped off "Word Image Sound Play", "Ansum" and "Quick Bit for the Web" (and probably "Tiny Clicks" as well) -> now that it seems this 'early version' of the track is going to be shared... It saves me a bit of work!

DA3D should've been switched for the "RCM Version"

that horrible off-beat percussion on "Little Speaker" just shouldn't have existed.

I would've changed the sequencing of the album as well (and probably switched some of the bsides for album tracks -> I just find "Ballet Lane" boring)

I still REALLY like "Luetin" but yea... it totally sounds like it was a track from the early 00's -> kinda Royksopp-y... maybe it should've been longer as well - with a ambient intro (like how they played it live a few years ago, or on the John Peel show)

Plus "Twist" was such a great song live... but it definitely doesn't have the same 'oomph' on the album version... maybe pushed Karl's guitar a bit in front more, had the track start with the percussion, then had the piano fade in (so it sounds less of a "Banstyle retread")

[lowbit]

Just went through AHDO again, and I have to say that except for possibly DA3D (a little too aggro, as noted) I love every track on it. Even Ballet Lane does the trick, with the flowing guitars delivering a dreamy interlude feel before things kick back in with the bounce of Luetin. Good stuff.

In fact, reviewing it, I realized that track-for-track is almost certainly my favorite Underworld studio album, so...really looking forward to this promo!! :)

[the mongoose]

I just applied for the Tracker site, but I've been a member of
RTSR yahoo group for a while.......how long til I can log in??

username - mongoose

[TheBang]

how long til I can log in??

Till you're approved.

[testudo]

mongoose

mongoose = good people

[stimpee]

Till you're approved.I havent approved him. have you? ;) he could be a leecher.

[TheBang]

Mongoose sounds like a leecher name.

[bas_I_am]

Mongoose sounds like a leecher name.
or a teabagger birther

[swift]

so, finally...

it is up on the tracker. seeding now...

enjoy!

-ps- and thanks to thebang for help...

[bryantm3]

lol— 16 greedy bastards trying to download it all at once. me? FORCED DOWNLOAD!!!

[bryantm3]

and by the way, swift, THANK YOU SO MUCH!

40.6% and going

[TheBang]

Thanks so much for posting, swift! Can't wait to hear it.

[holden]

First off, thanks ,Swift! Momove has long been a favorite track and i'm looking forward to hearing this extended mix. Soopher and various live versions are great, but you get the sense they were doodling,

I think AHDO is a very good album... but it could have been an incredible one had there been some changes here and there, like:

Mo Move should've been longer.
DA3D should've been switched for the "RCM Version"




Yeah, like AHDO a lot, as it was the first new UW release after i discovered them in ~1999. Momove, TMO, Twist...a fine beginning, In fact, i like all the cuts, with the occasional exception of Trim. But i agree that including some punchier versions, a la "020202", DA3d RCM mix, and maybe "Tiny Clicks" and "Little Speaker" make for a very strong LP.

[TheBang]

Well, it's certainly interesting. I never would have thought to mix the piano part into Mo Move. It's essentially Ansum, in reverse order though, tacked onto the end of Mo Move. To be honest, while it makes an epic length track, like Juanita/Kiteless/To Dream of Love and Banstyle/Sappy's Curry, I'm not sure that they stylistically go together very well. And it definitely would've needed a slashed trackname (Mo Move/Ansum), rather than just a single name. Ultimately, I like Mo Move the way it is on the album, and I like the way Ansum turned out by itself.

Now "Twist," wow, that extended ending kicks ass! I think they should've left it on there for the album. Twist in general is kind of a boring track, but that ending totally gives it a different character. I'd love to hear them jam out that ending in a live version too.

What I've found on the rest of the promo:

Identical to album version:
Two Months Off
Dinosaur Adventure 3D
Luetin

Differs minorly:
Sola Sistim (just fades out a few seconds earlier than the album version)
Trim (fades out about 5 seconds before the album version. Also, missing the final chime hit at 3:01)
Ess Gee (album version has additional wind chime sounds starting at about 2:00, and the final bass note)

Differs majorly:
Ballet Lane (a lot of differences, subtly, starting at about 2:00)
Twist (extended ending)
Mo Move (Ansum mixed onto the end)

[negative1]

digging the longer 'mo move' ... and will listen to 'twist',
have to give the whole album a more thorough listen..

thanks again swift!

great to revisit what we thought might have a been rumor..

later
-1

[holden]

Swift, thanks again, and again! Great new revelations, if only in listening to familiar tracks in a different order which creates a different feel entirely! I've probably listened to AHDO at least 50+ times, so anything unexpected or out of order makes me reevaluate and reappreciate the original.

TheBang, you beat me to it! I'm at DA3D and making notes! Definitely love the "Twist" drum outtro freak out-- they should have kept this, just to punch up a solid, but midtempo track! "Momove" - expected on the LP sequencing to be DA3D, in this sequence it has even more power than the original. The transitions into The "Little Speaker" piano feature and "Ansum" sounds make perfect sense.
'Ballet Lane" - always one UW's most subtly beautiful tracks, here gets some suble chances, and the closer "Luetin" - somehow sounds even more punchy, though fundamentally the same as the released version.

Could it be that listening closely for differences from the familiar version makes us take notice of bits we hadn't noticed before? Even shuffling the sequence of tracks can have an emotional effect!


What I've found on the rest of the promo:

Identical to album version:
Two Months Off
Trim
Dinosaur Adventure 3D
Luetin

Differs minorly:
Sola Sistim (just fades out a few seconds earlier than the album version)
Ess Gee (album version has additional wind chime sounds starting at about 2:00, and the final bass note)

Differs majorly:
Ballet Lane (a lot of differences, subtly, starting at about 2:00)
Twist (extended ending)
Mo Move (Ansum mixed onto the end)

[TheBang]

The "Little Speaker" piano feature
In my estimation, the piano part is from Ansum (in the works at least since 2001, when Quick Bit for Web was released), and was borrowed for Little Speaker (an apparent late addition to the album). The piano part is significantly longer in Ansum, and in this Mo Move/Ansum mashup, than the amount of the piano part used in Little Speaker.

Could it be that listening closely for differences from the familiar version makes us take notice of bits we hadn't noticed before?
Yes, definitely! I noticed bits of Ess Gee and Ballet Lane that I'd never "heard" before. It's given me some new appreciation for the album.

Some additional thoughts, I've had:

Has anyone ever seen it spelled "Sola Systim" anywhere else? Just wondering if that's a typo.

swift, do you have any information or sense as to when this promo made its way to V2? The album wasn't released until Sept. 2002, but it was being worked on back to 2001 at least.

The track order isn't too different from the final release. Ess Gee moves down a couple slots. Mo Move/Ansum becomes Little Speaker, and Mo Move goes to the front.

[the mongoose]

or a teabagger birther

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1mpNJTC3Yg ;)

http://i55.tinypic.com/312b7u1.jpg

[the mongoose]

Thanks Swift and RSTR Mods!!!!:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

[Sean]

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!!! You gave me a reason to set my new laptop up on the tracker, AND something new to listen to on my 20 hour flight next week....you rock. :D

[joethelion]

hey... any chance someone could hook me up with a dropbox link or whatever...

I really can't do torrents. I'm behind a firewall at my studio and I'm on shitty pay-as-you-go internet at my flat - so to download ANYTHING is reeeeaaallllyyyy expensive - like I downloaded something (scans of a few old comic books) that was less than 1GB a while back, immediately after I "topped up" to have 3GB of internet (£15) - and when it was done - I had to top-up again... costing me another £15

thanks in advance!

[ThingInABook]

dundundun!

i go away for a month and what a surprise was waiting here! (sorry to all, i've been eaten by the real world :/)

as i said to stimpee, i tried (actually, can't remember) joining RSTR, but nothing happened. he even checked my username there... and, of course i'm not there.

you're all sorts of awesome, swift! thanks so much for sharing :D

[testudo]

All respect due to Swift and RTSR!

[BrotherLovesDub]

Thanks Swift! This is great.

[Professor]

Thank you swift. What a nice start to my day today..

[crank]

So where is it? ON Torrents? FTP? didn't see a linky.

[joethelion]

I guess it's on RTSR*

...oh and btw - lectoid offered me a dropbox download of it once he's finished downloading it

thanks!


* (edit)

yes - it's on RTSR as a torrent download.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

I guess it's on RTSR*

...oh and btw - lectoid offered me a dropbox download of it once he's finished downloading it

thanks!


* (edit)

yes - it's on RTSR as a torrent download.


Well, be all Jesus or something and give what you get too. For me.

[BrotherLovesDub]

TMO doesn't have a different intro than the album version?

[happiness stan]

it's on RTSR as a torrent download.

Any chance of this going up on the FTP too?

[BrotherLovesDub]

Did anyone get the full lyrics to Luetin?

[joethelion]

oh wow...

Just listened to "Mo Move" so far... it's a really really really great version.

Sure, it's basically "just"

Mo Move -> the second half of "Little Speaker" -> the intro to "Ansum"

but it works so much better than you'd think. I always found the percussion on the intro to "Ansum" to be slightly grating and out of place. Like, I preferred the "Quick Bit for the Web" version (where it just started with those ambient tones + synth). But... how this is - where the "Ansum intro" comes at the end... the percussion TOTALLY makes sense now.

[Champiness]

Wow, the "new" Twist outro is fantastic! I can see why they took it off the album version though; sounds a lot like the outro to TMO. BTW it's really nice to have some actual segues between tracks!

[TheBang]

TMO doesn't have a different intro than the album version?

No? What album version are you listening to?

Wow, the "new" Twist outro is fantastic! I can see why they took it off the album version though; sounds a lot like the outro to TMO.
Yeah, I agree that that's probably why it got axed. I think it still has tons of merit and should've been kept though. They could've just separated the two tracks in the album and let it be a callback motif.

[BrotherLovesDub]

I haven't listened to the album version of TMO in many years.

[bryantm3]

TMO doesn't have a different intro than the album version?

no, but it does have a different ending— the fadeout is about 10 seconds longer with some odd beats here and there. nothing major, though.

[bryantm3]

anyone else notice that the actual *mix* of twist is different even before it gets to the fadeout?

[TheBang]

no, but it does have a different ending— the fadeout is about 10 seconds longer with some odd beats here and there. nothing major, though.

No, it's the same, but the difference is that it fades into the beginning of Twist, rather than fading out to silence like on the album.

anyone else notice that the actual *mix* of twist is different even before it gets to the fadeout?

I didn't notice anything significantly different, other than some minor pre-mastering level differences. Do you have any specific examples?

[spiderj2]

I'd love to hear this. Think I've subscribed to the RTSR group. Don't really know what I'm doing though, ha ha!

[testudo]

Like a Swimmer would have fit perfectly on this.

Right after DA3D, before Ballet Lane.

[Dirty0900]

Can anyone PM me a link? My RTSR logins have been playing up.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

I'd love to hear this. Think I've subscribed to the RTSR group. Don't really know what I'm doing though, ha ha!

Yeah!

[TheBang]

For those who have just joined the RTSR Yahoo Group, check out the "Links" section for instructions on accessing the Tracker and FTP.

[Dunwho]

This is mind blowing... mo move is sounding greeeeeeeeat, was already my favourite song.

[holden]

This is mind blowing... mo move is sounding greeeeeeeeat, was already my favourite song.


MoMove was always up there with my favorite UW tracks, this just distills the better/best parts of Ansum/Quick Bit and Little Speaker and makes it epic.

Yeah, can't get enough of the drum barrage at the end of "Twist". I do hear a loop or two from TMO, but with enough new whooshes and Karl's saying something i can't make out, i can't complain.

[bryantm3]

No, it's the same, but the difference is that it fades into the beginning of Twist, rather than fading out to silence like on the album.



I didn't notice anything significantly different, other than some minor pre-mastering level differences. Do you have any specific examples?

around 5:25 to 5:55 there is a woo-woo-woo-woo sound sort of like a siren on the album. it seems to be missing in this mix.

[bryantm3]

around 5:25 to 5:55 there is a woo-woo-woo-woo sound sort of like a siren on the album. it seems to be missing in this mix.

also in mo move the instruments, at least to me, seem to be at different levels throughout.

[TheBang]

around 5:25 to 5:55 there is a woo-woo-woo-woo sound sort of like a siren on the album. it seems to be missing in this mix.

Good ear. Sounds like Rick added that bit later.

also in mo move the instruments, at least to me, seem to be at different levels throughout.

Probably. That's all part of the mixing and mastering process.

[potatobroth]

I quite like this mix of MoMove. And I can totally live without Little Speaker. Other than that, and Twist, the rest of the album is pretty much as on AHDO proper.

Has anyone converted to MP3s from FLACs?

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Good ear. Sounds like Rick added that bit later.



Probably. That's all part of the mixing and mastering process.

bryantm3 always continues to surprise, no?

[funkboy3]

For those who have just joined the RTSR Yahoo Group, check out the "Links" section for instructions on accessing the Tracker and FTP.

I did this several (3, maybe 4) days ago, and submitted an access request for the Tracker, and I still can't log in. I know that I won't be notified when access is granted, but is there anyone reading here that might be able to verify what my status is? Or, point me to someone to ask?

[stimpee]

around 5:25 to 5:55 there is a woo-woo-woo-woo sound sort of like a siren on the album. it seems to be missing in this mix.Waiting for someone to do the side by side spectrum analysis :)

[Dunwho]

Waiting for someone to do the side by side spectrum analysis :)

You dont really need to. They have done some subtle mastering on it, and removed a lot of the high end area where ambient noise from the original recording is still heard on the promo. I quite like it because to my ear anyway i feel the individual elements have a lot more "room" to move.

The compression added at mastering pushes out this subtle noise and spreads out the sound so that it doesn't bounce around as much. You notice it hugely on the drums at the intro to TMO... you dont need a spectrum analysis... just listen at a decent volume. The bass is really tightened up on the mastered version and not allowed bounce around in all that ambient space that you can hear on the promo....

To my ear the whole album sounds hugely different as a result. I can hear bass lines that are now more hidden beneath the rest of the music.. i can hear extra percussion elements...

But what it isn't is subtle. And at first i was thinking it was way better to be able to hear this stuff but when you listen to the original you realise that by burying certain elements and cleaning up the sound, there is a more subtle use of sound... you dont neccessarily need to distinguish all of the individual elements for the effect to work.. it means it is less tiring on the ears and far easier on the brain... Im learning a lot from this actually, its great to be able to hear a before and after!

Also listen to the vocals on TMO... especially around 4.30 you can hear far more of Karls voice underneath the vocoder.. this is also cleaned up hugely.

Really Really value this recording.. it is a dream to hear an unmastered version of anything let alone a whole album because it gives you a chance to listen and learn.. and even try and replicate .. Brilliant!

[bryantm3]

bryantm3 always continues to surprise, no?

hey john, you might be interested in this promo (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/160/424514551_a9c46f8b56.jpg) i found for beaucoup fish

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

hey john, you might be interested in this promo (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/160/424514551_a9c46f8b56.jpg) i found for beaucoup fish

Honestly, I'm not 'too' let down on that one. I've only really given Mo Move one full listen. I'm glad the "official" version is as is as well as the dubbed in tracks being released in their own form. Not too impressed with Ballet Lane being any different from the orig(I think). And just did snippets of the rest.

But who knows, I mean, Oblivion has grown on me?

Oh and I think Hundred Days is as stellar in it's own way just as dubno, sttititi, etc. I like Underworld.

:p bitch.

[bryantm3]

i have to agree with you, john. everybody's going nuts about these new endings to the tracks, and honestly i can see why they took them out— the new ending for twist, for example, simply doesn't fit and just sounds like the end of two months off tacked onto the end. and i bet the same people who love it now, had it been included on the album, would have noticed the similarity and thought it was cheesy.

ditto for mo move. the ansum part, honestly, just sounds tacked on, like they didn't know what to do with those bits so they just put them there, then decided against it— it just doesn't fit, it almost sounds like something somebody could've done with audacity on their pc. i like the track little speaker a lot better than the mo move with ansum on the end. it's extremely obvious that it wasn't written that way, seeing as the bits from 'little speaker' and 'ansum' match exactly with the bits from the end of mo move, like they were just pasted there. i think they went back and wrote the song little speaker to use that bit and to me it fits better.

not that i'm saying that multi-sectioned tracks are bad. i just think if you don't perform them together, and kind of stick two different tracks together that weren't written for each other it just sounds like a crossfade.

overall i guess my point is that i think they made the right decisions in the end.

[potatobroth]

Well after years of digesting AHDO, I can say that Little Speaker is a track that I skip frequently or fast-forward for the stellar ending. That said, I really like tacking the good bits onto MoMove rather than even have LS as an album track. Maybe a B-side?

As for the ending of Twist... I LOVE IT! Maybe it doesnt work on the album and sure, thats a legit rationale. But as a little bonus track that Im hearing today... LOVEI T! Twist as it is on AHDO... pretty good. Twist live... FANTASTIC! Something's always been missing from the album track. Some lost energy somewhere.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Little Speaker is very nearly a great track. I'd like to hear Rick explain that out of time drum part.

[Dunwho]

Little Speaker is very nearly a great track. I'd like to hear Rick explain that out of time drum part.

+1

always pisses me off... its not in the Misterons radio show version and is far better off without it

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Little Speaker is very nearly a great track. I'd like to hear Rick explain that out of time drum part.

"Q--que? .. . .. . .........

If I stand up straight . . . . . I just go f-in' 'ell ..........................Que?"


Just a portion of some of the best lyrics ever put to wax, well, ya know. Also, I've always thought she saying 'I just to f-in' "out"', but again that's just me. Love the spoken words in this one.

[bryantm3]

+1

always pisses me off... its not in the Misterons radio show version and is far better off without it

can anyone get specific? i have no idea what y'all are talking about.

[the mongoose]

can anyone get specific? i have no idea what y'all are talking about.


Little Speaker (track on regular AHDO) at around 3:05 into the song, the beat goes noticeably offbeat for a few seconds.

I like it. :)

[holden]

Little Speaker (track on regular AHDO) at around 3:05 into the song, the beat goes noticeably offbeat for a few seconds.

I like it. :)
Remember reading an interview, i think it was "Keyboard" magazine, where Rick and Karl explained that they spent a lot of time moving around the percussion to make it sound more "live". The off-beat percussion never bothered me, and as a producer myself, sometimes, it can add a bit of dramatics beyond the 4-4.

Beyond the obvious differences, i think i'm most enjoying TMO - i hear a different pattern before the main chords come in.

[bryantm3]

Little Speaker (track on regular AHDO) at around 3:05 into the song, the beat goes noticeably offbeat for a few seconds.

I like it. :)

oh okay, that part. i thought it was on purpose.

[Andrea]

I like that laughing synth sound after that offbeat :)

[Dunwho]

Little Speaker (track on regular AHDO) at around 3:05 into the song, the beat goes noticeably offbeat for a few seconds.

I like it. :)

No no... listen to the track from the start.. then at 30secs they insert a 4-4 beat that is out of time with the main 4-4 beat.. its in the background but it is just loud enough that it puts me off and i cant concentrate on one beat or another.. its so frustrating and makes the whole song hard to listen to.

The problem isnt that it is beyond the 4-4 beat, it is precisely the oposite, it IS a 4-4 beat but it is just completely out of sync with the main 4-4 beat....

and a whole lot of frustration ensues!:mad:

[scary man]

No no... listen to the track from the start.. then at 30secs they insert a 4-4 beat that is out of time with the main 4-4 beat.. its in the background but it is just loud enough that it puts me off and i cant concentrate on one beat or another.. its so frustrating and makes the whole song hard to listen to.

The problem isnt that it is beyond the 4-4 beat, it is precisely the oposite, it IS a 4-4 beat but it is just completely out of sync with the main 4-4 beat....

and a whole lot of frustration ensues!:mad:

It's not out of synch. It's an off-beat. It's pre-empting the kick. It's in time.

[Dunwho]

It's not out of synch. It's an off-beat. It's pre-empting the kick. It's in time.

It's in time yes (they are both 4-4 patterns).... but it is out of sync... as in it is not landing on any of the 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16 1/32 (etc..) beats of the main drum pattern. Yes it pre-empts the Kick.. but you can do that without taking it out of the pattern of the main drum beat.. for instance a shuffle drum pattern pre-empts the kick every 4 beats.. but what we have here are two 4-4 drum beats that dont link together within the same pattern.. as a result they clash.

Well to my ear they do..

This was clearly not a mistake, Rick meant to put it in and it was an experiment of course, but I just dont like it and wish it wasn't there... just my opinion

[bryantm3]

it doesn't sound like bad programming to me. i've always heard that and it sounds right to me. maybe y'all aren't used to progressive music?

[Andrea]

no harm but something makes me think of the word dissection...

[BrotherLovesDub]

it doesn't sound like bad programming to me. i've always heard that and it sounds right to me. maybe y'all aren't used to progressive music?

sounds a lot like you're living in the 'Land of Confusion' to me.

[potatobroth]

whether right or wrong, I notice it each and every time I listen to that track. it feels (feels, not is) as tho the base starts on the 2 rather than the 1. (or maybe on the eighth note)

[spiderj2]

A bit late, but thanks to Swift for Ansum and thanks to whoever it may concern for my RTSR tracker approval. Great stuff!

[funkboy3]

A bit late, but thanks to Swift for Ansum and thanks to whoever it may concern for my RTSR tracker approval. Great stuff!

I second both of these!

[Dunwho]

Anyway the moral of the story here kids is that in my opinion if you want to hear a good version of the song check out the Misterons radio show.

[happiness stan]

A bit late, but thanks to Swift for Ansum and thanks to whoever it may concern for my RTSR tracker approval. Great stuff!

indeed, thanks everyone

[dubman]

No no... listen to the track from the start.. then at 30secs they insert a 4-4 beat that is out of time with the main 4-4 beat.. its in the background but it is just loud enough that it puts me off and i cant concentrate on one beat or another.. its so frustrating and makes the whole song hard to listen to.

The problem isnt that it is beyond the 4-4 beat, it is precisely the oposite, it IS a 4-4 beat but it is just completely out of sync with the main 4-4 beat....

and a whole lot of frustration ensues!:mad:

nah, it's great.

LS is my second fave off the album after Luetin

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

There you are!!! Where hell have you been?? I've missed getting on your nerves . . .

[dubman]

this whole board gets on my nerves

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Don't be such a grinch. There's nowhere on this highway like darktrain, and you know it.

& I REALLY have wondered what you've been up to, found it strange you hadn't been around. You're kinda like an annoying sibling.

[lowbit]

I really like both of the mentioned beat additions to Little Speaker. The one at 0:30 is reminiscent of a delay, giving the beat more depth, and the one at 3:05 adds complexity in a way that gives the following section all that much more energy.

IMHO. :)

[crank]

anyone want to upload this to the FTP? purty please?

[potatobroth]

i have to admit, i've been listening to this 'promo' album quite a bit lately. ive also rediscovered Ansum.

MoMove is just so much more worhtwhile with the Ansum ending IMO. I've always liked the tune, but hated that it never really went anywhwere. WIth the new Ansum ending, I like it even more.

[stimpee]

anyone want to upload this to the FTP? purty please?I'll do it tomorrow. the FTP is a bit cranky tho.

[crank]

I'm a bit cranky! :)

[lovephonic]

No no... listen to the track from the start.. then at 30secs they insert a 4-4 beat that is out of time with the main 4-4 beat.. its in the background but it is just loud enough that it puts me off and i cant concentrate on one beat or another.. its so frustrating and makes the whole song hard to listen to.

The problem isnt that it is beyond the 4-4 beat, it is precisely the oposite, it IS a 4-4 beat but it is just completely out of sync with the main 4-4 beat....

and a whole lot of frustration ensues!:mad:

Usually those sort of things really both me as well, but since I don't notice it while the most prominent kit is playing, it's really fun in the drop out.

Btw, your post about mastering and valuing the rare commodity that is pre production demos is right on. I haven't heard this yet, but if it's as it sounds, these sort of things are usually only sent between band and management, and sometimes to the label under penalty of death if it gets leaked.