Barking: The Alternate Versions (Disc 2) [Archive]

big screen satellite

09-06-2010, 03:06 PM

as much as i am looking forward to getting hold of this second selection of Underworld tracks, i'm also fearing a backlash by hardened fans saying this should have been the album - rather than what has been 'officially' released as the album

many artists develop a sound and change it for release - just be grateful for this selection and don't judge against 'Barking' - because the 9 tracks that have been released are what the album should be judged on

Barking is what it is, this bonus selection and the extras elsewhere are just that, bonuses that should be enjoyed independently... so enjoy and don't pass further judgements... :)

BrotherLovesDub

09-06-2010, 05:25 PM

many artists develop a sound and change it for release

and some artists develop some sketches and ship them off for trendy dj/producer types to finish for them.

i like Barking, think it's terrific, but it really lacks the quality and detail of Rick Smith's touch that we've come to expect from an Underworld release. Hopefully that will be more evident in the alternate versions.

Sappys Curry

09-06-2010, 06:47 PM

I like Barking, but I'd say it is my least favorite album from them from both MK II UW and MK III UW. I'm really looking forward to the alternate tracks, as I'm expecting I'll like it more than the album proper.

Yes, Barking is the album proper. I won't say that 'CD 2' is what the album should have been, but I will count it as, unofficially, another album from them (and as an 'alternate album' that is based on Barking).

the-star-samurai

09-06-2010, 07:23 PM

Totally agree with this.

All I'm thinking about for CD2 is "HIGHER QUALITY VERSION OF ALAF (SILVER BOOTS)" and etc etc. Because frankly, I'm done with being stuck with the 2005 Lemonworld set rip that I cut myself with Windows Movie Maker.

And plus it's a bside type of thing - and I am all for that. ;D

holden

09-06-2010, 07:36 PM

i approache the extra disc as extras, works in progress, sketches before the ultimate release. Rick and Karl consciously decided to work with outside producers for this album, and the result is none too shabby. In fact, it's pretty great, imho.
Whatever the shape and form of the second disc's tracks, they are not on the final LP for a reason. If i like some versions better than the Barking tracks, fine, and i'm happy to have both. If they sound like unfinished works in progress, that's cool, too, though it won't detract from the final form. With the exception of ALAF, all the tracks on Barking seem more final and accessible than their work in progress forms via live or radio show.

stimpee

09-06-2010, 07:57 PM

Whatever the shape and form of the second disc's tracks, they are not on the final LP for a reason. If i like some versions better than the Barking tracks, fine, and i'm happy to have both. If they sound like unfinished works in progress, that's cool, too, though it won't detract from the final form.What he said. Take it for what it is. Im not counting this as the album.

dubman

09-07-2010, 01:03 AM

it's not going to be what it should have been, it's going to be what could have been.
they're unfinished, rough, and Barking is the final product and the official "next step" for them, so it goes. but even if it's going to be a bit sad, i'll probably listen to CD2 a lot more regardless of what the principle is, because i'll likely prefer the tracks from a time before they became a pill to swallow.

i like barking as a finished thing. it's fine, but there's no question that it's a compromise of sentiment on my end.

jose m

09-07-2010, 01:24 AM

[QUOTE=Sappys Curry;144156]I like Barking, but I'd say it is my least favorite album from them from both MK II UW and MK III UW. I'm really looking forward to the alternate tracks, as I'm expecting I'll like it more than the album proper.

i don't think it will be.
i think the cd1 IS the album.
as far as i know the recording of cd1 wasn't a case of "doing some sketches and handing them out",rick and karl worked on the tracks with some of the guys and if they weren't in the studio with them the tracks were handed back and forth until a finished mix was sorted NOT just given to the collabs to finish off.
imo

purlieu

09-07-2010, 02:40 AM

I am looking forward to disc 2 more than the original album, simply because I'm not fond of some of the producers, and I still don't like Scribble really. It may well turn out that I love the finished thing too, but Underworld collaborating with [producer I don't care for] isn't as exciting a prospect as Underworld on their own for me.

razorpilot

09-07-2010, 03:10 AM

big screen satellite

09-07-2010, 03:23 AM

I think it is quite simple:
CD1 - for the 'mass market' - making Underworld more accessible to new people
CD2 - for the loyal fans - It's what most of us have been crying out for the new album to contain.

So then everyone should be happy!... errr.. I hope!?!

well thats exactly what i expect fans to say, but don't really want this to happen

i've certainly not been 'crying out' to have disc 2 as 'the album', i just want disc two to represent 'other' alternative, as you will, versions of the songs.

Its good to have them available and as they do exist its nice to share them with loyal fans, but Underworld wanted Barking to be out there as a piece of music to represent them for 2010 and it is the 9 official tracks as issued - disc 2 is a BONUS. It doesn't matter if producers or not meddled with them - its still a simple 9 track Underworld album.

Sappys Curry

09-07-2010, 06:30 AM

We will have our differences in how we regard and think of CD 2 of the box set, but like someone said on page one, I'll probably end up listening to CD 2 a lot more than Barking, too, heh.

big screen satellite

09-07-2010, 07:03 AM

We will have our differences in how we regard and think of CD 2 of the box set, but like someone said on page one, I'll probably end up listening to CD 2 a lot more than Barking, too, heh.

I certainly don't wanna dictate listening preferences, i love some of the non album output, I just feel that it needs to be set straight that Barking is what it is - like it or not - its not what 'could've' been...

i really do like the album as it is, and i might love the alternives CD even better, but its no different to loving a remix of a song.

Barking wouldn't exist without demos and trials, and its great we'll get to see / hear these... and i'm all for that - just don't hate on the album that has been released by comparing it to the second disc... you can hate the album for what it is... because it is what it is.

after all is all about the love of the music being output for our enjoyment....

qirex

09-07-2010, 08:26 AM

I'm definitely looking forward to hearing disc 2, playing Barking in full for the first time was underwhelming (first time ever for an uw release). Particularly disappointed with Bird 1 and don't like Louisiana at all; album standout for me is Hamburg Hotel.

testudo

09-07-2010, 08:50 AM

http://asset.soup.io/asset/1061/6625_17da.gif

dubman

09-07-2010, 10:15 AM

I certainly don't wanna dictate listening preferences, i love some of the non album output, I just feel that it needs to be set straight that Barking is what it is - like it or not - its not what 'could've' been...

i really do like the album as it is, and i might love the alternives CD even better, but its no different to loving a remix of a song.

Barking wouldn't exist without demos and trials, and its great we'll get to see / hear these... and i'm all for that - just don't hate on the album that has been released by comparing it to the second disc... you can hate the album for what it is... because it is what it is.

after all is all about the love of the music being output for our enjoyment....
i love this, you're trying to be diplomatic about corralling a petulant gaggle of whiners into behaving a certain way about an album edition.

big screen satellite

09-07-2010, 10:23 AM

i love this, you're trying to be diplomatic about corralling a petulant gaggle of whiners into behaving a certain way about an album edition.

yeah of course - don't tell anyone tho...

potatobroth

09-07-2010, 11:13 AM

its just like an EP of b-sides. nothing more. not that hard to understand really.

and I may very well say, "ooh I like this version better" the same way I could have said that with Irish Pub Cowgirl, or Cherry Pie with Rowla. All that would mean is that I like X better than Y. All we do in this forum category is talk about Underworld songs, debate which songs should/shouldn't be on the album, etc. Why would we stop now? :)

purlieu

09-07-2010, 11:21 AM

It's a bit of a different situation though, these being collaborations and the second disc being Underworld on their own. They aren't just different versions, they vary in who actually made them. For a pure 100% Underworld album, the second disc is a more suitable listen, whatever the band's reasoning behind the collabs.

Sappys Curry

09-07-2010, 08:49 PM

i love this, you're trying to be diplomatic about corralling a petulant gaggle of whiners into behaving a certain way about an album edition.

Eh? I haven't really whined about the album, as I like it, but it is probably my least favorite album from both MK II and MK III eras. But I will give it more time to grow on me, as I could end up liking it significantly more over time (happened to me with AHDO). And BSS, I'm not hating on the album. There is a little bit of disappointment, though, and I do hope I like this CD 2 better; that'd be good.

I said somewhere else on this forums that this is really cool, with CD 1 and CD 2 of the box set. It is like almost getting two albums at the same time from Underworld. And I've said in different threads that I don't like this album too much, but I have said a few times that I do like this album. Part of my problem is that 3 tracks were not really doing it for me, but recently I'm liking one of them more (Between Stars). I'm still not liking Grace too much, but I still am trying to get into it more, and then Scribble, I like its happy spirit, but that may be ranked last for me for songs on this album.

lemonjelly

09-09-2010, 02:19 AM

I'm looking forward very much to both cd's.

The music I choose to listen to is dependent on my mood at the time, so I'm sure that at different times, and in different moods I'll choose to listen to both different versions.

I just consider myself lucky to be given the option.

Champiness

09-11-2010, 11:27 AM

Guess what, guys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnoAqwvQdbg
They're all awesome!

dubman

09-11-2010, 12:49 PM

Guess what, guys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnoAqwvQdbg
They're all awesome!
based on the samples, i predict a hybrid playlist out of this for my listening preferences. between stars and diamond jigsaw are much better on the album, but strumpet, jumping the cran, and YDS are easily going to push out their finished counterparts.
might see how mixing both hamburg versions would work out, too

34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

09-11-2010, 01:50 PM

d'oh...the diamond jigsaw doesn't have that cool synth noise...oh well :(

TheBang

09-11-2010, 03:17 PM

Based on the YouTube samples:

1. Sounds like a 2008 version of Strumpet
2. Version 1 from 2003, and as debuted at Electraglide
3. Studio version of the live version we all know. Also played on 2008 radio show
4. It'll be very interesting to hear this. I'd also be interested in hearing the full Barking version.
5. Sounds like it's the 2nd radio show version from 2008
6. Sounds like the 2009 studio version they did, as played at the 2009 Bestival DJ set.
7. This is very interesting. It sounds very demo-y and it might even be one of the very first versions of it, and possibly before synths were even added.
8. might be a slightly different version from what we heard in 2008?
9. The same Jumping the Cran version played in 2008 on the radio and at the ArtJam.

It's nice that they've done this for the fans. I think Between Stars will definitely be replacing the album version for me.

I hope they can satisfy a few more fans requests and maybe post online the synthy Diamond Jigsaw and many other versions of ALAF.

34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

09-11-2010, 04:37 PM

i wonder if YDS is gonna have the lyrics...they were my favorite part

bryantm3

09-11-2010, 04:57 PM

after hearing this, scribble gets dropped for YDS. it would be cool if someone did a mixture of the two, like an instrumental that leads into the new version. from the samples, i still prefer the album versions of everything else except 'grace', sounds just different. i might like that version better or worse, i have to wait until i hear both versions in full. diamond jigsaw sounds just like a demo, like it's incomplete.

it sounds like the only ones i really might prefer are 'you do scribble' and 'grace'.

Future Proof

09-11-2010, 10:48 PM

http://asset.soup.io/asset/1061/6625_17da.gif

What he said. Because I can already tell that I'm going to like the alternate version of ALAF and many of the other B-Sides.

Dirty0900

09-12-2010, 12:11 PM

I worry for anyone who prefers CD2 to the first.

scary man

09-12-2010, 01:42 PM

d'oh...the diamond jigsaw doesn't have that cool synth noise...oh well :(

Yeah, I was looking forward to that too. I suspect that live bootleg will continue to be my favourite version of Diamond Jigsaw.

melegant

09-12-2010, 05:15 PM

Hi,
Anyway to purchase this separately? ..Looked on ITUNES today and did not see it. I am in the US..already ordered the deluxe DVD/CD :p:p...would be another 85USD to get just CD 2..which after the youtube preview sounds sick. Bird1 sounds fantastic.

TheBang

09-12-2010, 05:16 PM

CD2 is exclusive to the Limited Edition Box Set. You can find links to order it here:

16960

If you order from Om Records in the US, you can get it for $52 shipped.

purlieu

09-13-2010, 05:33 AM

it sounds like the only ones i really might prefer are 'you do scribble' and 'grace'.
After all my moaning about the collaborations, it turns out I'd probably agree with this actually. I like Grace on both CDs, but the Telematic Peal mix is just more... Underworld. Scribble I love the vocals, but the High Contrast stuff still pisses me off.
Oh, I think I'd probably take Hamburg Hotel Essex too, it's a bit weirder and I like that.

On the whole, the disc does sound a bit like work in progress versions, remixes, demos and such as opposed to finished tracks for a lot of it. I can imagine the versions of ALAF, Bird 1 and such being on EPs if anything. Sooooooooooo yeah. Not the Underworld version of the album some of us were expecting/hoping for, but it's still an enjoyable and interesting disc.

Sappys Curry

09-13-2010, 11:38 AM

I was hoping and assuming it'd have a more complete feel to it. But I do like what I heard in that youtube link. I'll enjoy listening to disc 2, but I'm suspecting it'll be inferior to the album.

My problem with Barking isn't the collaborations (although I dislike the synth plop on Bird 1 which I'm sure was totally not added in by Rick or Karl). Everybody has some Underworld songs that they just don't care for. For me, I don't enjoy listening to three of the nine tracks all that much. I don't find much appeal in Between Stars (even when I first heard the live version), Grace, and Scribble, although I like Between Stars and Grace a little more then when I first got the album. The rest of the album is pretty solid for me, but that is three out of nine tracks I'm not really impressed with. Scribble is okay, I guess, but it just sounds so mainstream, which is not what I want from Underworld. Other songs on the album are poppy, but none sound so commercialized like Scribble.

I was thinking about combining tracks from Barking and CD2. I might still do that. I'll have Barking and CD2 on my iPod, and then...a custom track listing, and I think I might just keep all the Barking tracks except Scribble and replace that with YDS.

BrotherLovesDub

09-13-2010, 12:05 PM

Don't forget to add Downpipe!

Sappys Curry

09-13-2010, 12:15 PM

Actually, I'm stupid. I, uh, don't have Downpipe yet. I heard part of it and liked what I heard, though. But it is on iTunes. Might as well get it.

I may add Are You Rockstar? to CD2 in my library/on my iPod. It would fit in. Maybe I'll add Toobee, too. :)

Now that I think about it, I should also put Simple Peal on CD2. It would fit in better there than on Barking.

Edit: I went to buy Downpipe...which version do I buy? The Club mix that is over eight minutes long?

purlieu

09-13-2010, 12:31 PM

I try, I really do, but I never keep up. What are Are You Rockstar? and Toobee?

Sappys Curry

09-13-2010, 01:02 PM

They are from a 2008 broadcast. I really like them. Soft UW music. Ambient and atmospheric and such.

BrotherLovesDub

09-13-2010, 01:06 PM

.

Edit: I went to buy Downpipe...which version do I buy? The Club mix that is over eight minutes long?

yes. the instrumental is pointless.

TheBang

09-13-2010, 02:18 PM

I try, I really do, but I never keep up. What are Are You Rockstar? and Toobee?
Here and here:

http://www.underworldlive.com/tracklisting.asp?sn=901
http://www.underworldlive.com/tracklisting.asp?sn=903

big screen satellite

09-14-2010, 06:25 AM

barking version 2...

its certainly very good to have but it certainly sounds 'unfinished'

i like to hear how the tracks have evolved but i kinda want more, and feel that the standard version gives that 'more'

its empty for me, only the version of grace is as good, i certainly won't be spinning this as much and as often as the official released album. i like the raw version of Diamond Jigsaw but really wished that either version had those synth stabs we heard on the live version...

Hamburg Hotel Essex - reminds me of the dobrapet mix of Bruce Lee, its shorter here and better for it. sorry UW i don't like it or understand it tbh... and the vocaless versions of the other tracks are simply, for me incomplete... i love Karls voice / Danielle's 'singing'

alternatives and demos - all for them, but this certainly isn't what i'd have wanted on the final album - glad the guys plumped for production guidance, not that they can't do it on their own, 7 albums of self made music is testament to that... its just a refreshing change and better for it. IMO

testudo

09-14-2010, 06:54 AM

barking version 2...
its certainly very good to have but it certainly sounds 'unfinished'

Like it was stated in the essay for the ltd ed. the tracks were not the ones that were sent initially to the producers.

based on the youtube sampler of cd2, I think rick picked out the tracks that were very similar to the tracks that were on cd1, but just better produced.

I think its a way of making the actual album seem better, so in a way it is insulting to the fans, cause we have heard better versions live/demoed/etc than on cd2

razorpilot

09-14-2010, 10:59 AM

CD2 is just a collection of different versions. If they are better or worse than other versions we've heard in the past has a lot to do with personal preference.
The good thing is that from the broadcasts, live shows, etc, we have a lot of versions that we have access to. CD2 just adds to this choice.

jose m

09-14-2010, 11:30 AM

joethelion

09-14-2010, 11:54 AM

any chance someone could hook me up with a (some what) low-quality rip of cd 2?

I bought the super deluxe limited edition package... but it was before I moved to Glasgow (from the US) so the box is just sitting at my parents' house* until I get back - which won't be for some time!

...I say "some what low-quality rip" b/c I am still doing pay-as-you-go internet, as my bank account is taking aaaaages to get set-up. So if some one could give me aac files, that would be much appreciated.

*or at least it SHOULD BE

testudo

09-14-2010, 11:59 AM

I think its a way of making the actual album seem better, so in a way it is insulting to the fans, cause we have heard better versions live/demoed/etc than on cd2

are you fucking mental??????
"so in a way it is insulting to the fans..."

no. are you? quoting out of context is wrong, always.

The point is if you give a very rough version that is similar to the final, the shiny sparkling version will look better. I have seen many fine art documentaries that always show this.

Vancouver

09-14-2010, 12:48 PM

I've got the LTD edition ordered and on the way but I just (maybe stupidly?) bought the itunes bonus track You Do Scribble (Abbey Road Version). Is this going to be the same version that appears on the alt. versions disc?

potatobroth

09-14-2010, 01:50 PM

I haven't received a shipping email or anything. are they sending out shipping emails? i still have this fear that the order didn't go thru.

TheBang

09-14-2010, 02:01 PM

TheBang

09-14-2010, 02:02 PM

Like it was stated in the essay for the ltd ed. the tracks were not the ones that were sent initially to the producers.

based on the youtube sampler of cd2, I think rick picked out the tracks that were very similar to the tracks that were on cd1, but just better produced.

I think its a way of making the actual album seem better, so in a way it is insulting to the fans, cause we have heard better versions live/demoed/etc than on cd2
:rolleyes:

(full context quoted. :rolleyes: still applied)

bryantm3

09-14-2010, 02:24 PM

You Do Scribble (Abbey Road Version) is different from You Do Scribble on CD2.

what are the differences??

TheBang

09-14-2010, 02:26 PM

drums drums drums (and guns and rock)

Vancouver

09-14-2010, 02:46 PM

You Do Scribble (Abbey Road Version) is different from You Do Scribble on CD2.
Excellent. Thanks for the info.

testudo

09-14-2010, 03:21 PM

junkies, criminals, fugitives...

twicezero

09-15-2010, 12:42 AM

This is probably one of those only the poster can hear it things

but take a listen to Mmm Skyscraper I Love You (Live Jam) from Lemonworld Broadcast 2006-05-13 - round about the 6 minute mark. the bits that aren't traditionally there.

take a listen to the start of Always Loved A Film (Lemonworld Mix)

similar, or do io need coffee?

jose m

09-15-2010, 01:30 AM

are you fucking mental??????
"so in a way it is insulting to the fans..."

no. are you? quoting out of context is wrong, always.

The point is if you give a very rough version that is similar to the final, the shiny sparkling version will look better. I have seen many fine art documentaries that always show this.

you knew what i mean.
how is it an insult to the fans?

khouri

09-15-2010, 07:58 PM

The demo version of Diamond Jigsaw on the Barking bonus disc is, as Karl said, NOTHING like Underworld. No synths, just guitar, rock drum sounds and Karl's singing. It's a fun, upbeat little ditty but definitely not Underworld.

I like PVD's remix a lot but I'm afraid the awesome synthpop version from the Las Vegas show will remain the best version of this divisive Underworld track.

Similarly, the version of "Moon in Water" that we first heard during a radio broadcast was incalculably better than the version found on the bonus disc, and arguably better than High Contrast's version.

The same can be said for the early versions of Always Loved a Film.

I think Rick should accept that he can nail a track sooner than he thinks! Diamond Jigsaw, ALAF, Moon in Water, You Do Scribble....

potatobroth

09-15-2010, 08:07 PM

YDS is great to have in these two forms. Oddly enough, the catchiness of Scribble does get stuck in my head and i end up singing it even though I don't really like it.

Both YDS and YDS (Abbey Road) are FANTASTIC. Great additions to this release.

Strumpet is okay. Kinda miss the "gets much better" piece from the electraglide show so many years back.

All in all, its like a fantastic release of Bsides. Love it.

potatobroth

09-15-2010, 08:42 PM

OK, I know we don't want to do this, but I'm gonna have to agree with whoever said Grace (Telematic Peal Mix) is the better version. It's pretty great. The album version is great too, but something more Underworld about the alt.

Sappys Curry

09-15-2010, 09:34 PM

I like PVD's remix a lot but I'm afraid the awesome synthpop version from the Las Vegas show will remain the best version of this divisive Underworld track.

Seems to be the case for 2008 live Strumpet, too. Bird 1 is good, a stand out track on Barking, but those darn synth plops have me liking the live version of Strumpet a bit more.

potatobroth

09-16-2010, 08:01 AM

Electraglide wrote:
better, better, better, gets much better...

Dino3D

09-16-2010, 08:22 AM

I listened to the samples of the alternate takes, and I glad that the differences between the demos and the final produced versions are minimal. The biggest differences are Scribble and ALAF, but the final versions are better, luckily.
So if the differences so minimal, I don't know why needed the producers.

purlieu

09-16-2010, 10:57 AM

Strumpet Groove and Bird 1 are pretty different.

crank

09-17-2010, 05:48 PM

LOVE Hamburg Hotel Essex. So much better.

Cadevil

09-18-2010, 12:35 PM

Got my box set yesterday...it's something pretty, and I love all of the notes on each song. The note to the fans at the start is cool. This thing was clearly made for the fans on Dirty.

Whoever said this was an "insult to the fans" is an idiot.

dubman

09-18-2010, 01:48 PM

Like it was stated in the essay for the ltd ed. the tracks were not the ones that were sent initially to the producers.

based on the youtube sampler of cd2, I think rick picked out the tracks that were very similar to the tracks that were on cd1, but just better produced.

I think its a way of making the actual album seem better, so in a way it is insulting to the fans, cause we have heard better versions live/demoed/etc than on cd2
you're trading in the sharing of process (the point, and quite a relevant one for fans) for a conspiracy (not the point, and completely out of character)

this is entitled and moronic. go back to atease.

crank

09-18-2010, 04:20 PM

I just love the fact that the songs on the DVD are different even from disc 2. So it's like we have 3 different versions of the trax. ROCK on.

dubman

09-19-2010, 12:32 AM

holy fuck why did no one say that 'kipper' made it onto 'strumpet'
christ that made my day.

34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

09-20-2010, 07:32 AM

Just picked it up. I guess I can't say it's really something I'm going to listen to much. I'm not sure what they were going for (or if they even put too much thought into it). I was really hoping that we'd get the same tracks we've heard live or during the Lemonworld broadcasts but cleaned up...it looks like most of these are new takes (to us) but not as good as the stuff I was hoping for. Track by track:
1. Strumpet Groove: Not as good as the live Strumpet we've heard, sounds just like an unfinished take
2. ALAF: Not as good as the live ALAF we've heard from the same show (one of the Brixton discs), where are the vocals?
3: YDS: Cool, but again where are the vocals? I have been waiting 5 years for a studio version of this but the vocals were, to me, what truly put this song above and beyond.
4. Hamburg Hotel Essex: Interesting, but like the album version kind of unfinished
5. Grace: Good, but I preferred the disc 1 version, didn't sound at all like the "Telematic Peal" that we got in the broadcast before.
6. Between Stars: Decent demo version of the album track (which I loved). Not much to say here.
7. Diamond Jigsaw: On one hand, I think it's great how much this sounds like an early (mk1-era!) demo track, still a great song, and it is charming. On the other hand, I really was hoping for something with the synths that we heard live, that was my favorite part of the song, so this is a real disappointment.
8. Moon in Water: Loved the broadcast version we had, this is kind of the same but with harder beats, but the computer vocal (which I really liked) doesn't appear until the very end...wish we could get a high quality recording of the broadcast
9. Louisiana: Basically just the first two minutes of the disc 1 version, not much to say.
　
I don't think it's an "insult to the fans" or anything, but I did find it kind of curious. It's cool to have another version of all these tracks (so for most of them, I have at least 3 now) but these are generally the mixes that I won't listen to much. The earlier demos we heard are better, even if they are in 96kbps or on a bootleg, and unlike most of you guys, I think the actual Barking album was great. I just wonder if they really cared too much about the quality of disc 2. Just saying, if I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't have gone for the box set just for the second disc (the package as a whole is still amazing).

starfox203

09-20-2010, 11:31 AM

Only had a quick listen, but they sound like demo versions. An interesting note (kind of like the Beatles Anthologies). Not as polished as some of the broadcast versions or live versions but still nice to have.

Having the album version of Moon in Water and the broadcast version with the computer voice works for me. As does having the album version and the Las Vegas version of Diamond Jigsaw.

Dino3D

09-20-2010, 12:02 PM

A quick quastion. Are all the alternative versions without the producers? So just Karl and Smith?
Because a lot of tracks are almost sound like the album versions, with little differences.

khouri

09-20-2010, 12:15 PM

A quick quastion. Are all the alternative versions without the producers? So just Karl and Smith?
Because a lot of tracks are almost sound like the album versions, with little differences.

That's right, just Karl and Rick (and Darren Price on Between Stars). As detailed in the commentaries found in the boxset's book, the producers didn't use a heavy hand in most cases. High Contrast is the exception, obviously.

Dunwho

09-20-2010, 12:23 PM

High Contrast is the exception, obviously.

Yea and we can see what a disaster that was

Dino3D

09-20-2010, 12:56 PM

As detailed in the commentaries found in the boxset's book, the producers didn't use a heavy hand in most cases.

On CD1 too?

saintrik

09-20-2010, 01:10 PM

Unrelated to the general what version is superior thread, here's some cover art I put together for the Alternative Versions disc for my iTunes cover flow...

http://www.pulltabtoopen.com/images/UW_AltCover.jpg

All the art elements are taken from the iTunesLP package.

Caprice

09-23-2010, 08:25 AM

Having received my deluxe edition in the mail 2 mornings ago, I have played the hell out of it since, watched the included DVD, and made it to Disc 2 yesterday; and boy, what a day!
I like Disc 2 better than I like Disc 1, if that's a bad thing or not, I'm not sure, but it doesn't matter because it's all damn good music.

and I've listened to You Do Scribble more than any of the others so far. I don't know if this is High Contrast more than Underworld, but I like it a lot.

this sounds cheesy, but I don't think electronic music will ever be the same (in a two fold way).

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09-23-2010, 09:12 AM

I think YDS doesn't have High Contrast at all...

purlieu

09-25-2010, 04:41 AM

You Do Scribble is Underworld. Scribble is Underworld buried beneath High Contrast.

I've made 'my version' of the album, which runs a little like this:

Bird 1
Always Loved A Film
You Do Scribble
Hamburg Hotel Essex
Grace (Telematic Peal)
Between Stars (Lemonworld Mix)
Simple Peal
Diamond Jigsaw
Louisiana

Which puts together my favourite versions of the tracks from those available, plus I've got rid of Moon In Water, which I only seem to like the version we heard years ago of, and replaced it by putting Simple Peal in, which makes Diamond Jigsaw seem even more lively and uplifting when it comes afterwards. I've only left in three collaborations, it seems.

TheBang

10-04-2010, 03:04 AM

My box set FINALLY showed up yesterday (thanks to Om shipping via Media Mail).

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that "Kippers" shows up in "Strumpet Groove" starting at 4:30.

froopy seal

10-04-2010, 03:19 AM

On CD1 too?Only on CD 1. On CD 2, there wasn't any external producer involved at all, I gather.

testudo

10-04-2010, 08:32 AM

Tone

10-04-2010, 04:03 PM

Troy McClure

10-04-2010, 09:49 PM

My box set FINALLY showed up yesterday (thanks to Om shipping via Media Mail).

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that "Kippers" shows up in "Strumpet Groove" starting at 4:30.

What part is 'Kippers'? Is it the off kilter noodling behind the beat? Where is this from originally?

Jason

TheBang

10-05-2010, 02:07 AM

What part is 'Kippers'? Is it the off kilter noodling behind the beat? Where is this from originally?

Yeah, that part. I guess it's from an old version of underworldlive.com? I'm not actually sure if it was an official download, or, like, ripped from some background music or something. I don't even know if "Kippers" is an official or fan name. Maybe someone else has more info?

joethelion

10-06-2010, 05:54 AM

Yeah, that part. I guess it's from an old version of underworldlive.com? I'm not actually sure if it was an official download, or, like, ripped from some background music or something. I don't even know if "Kippers" is an official or fan name. Maybe someone else has more info?

You know - I just got my box set this weekend. Put on the cd, listened through Strumpet and was like... "Ooooh Kippers! Why didn't anyone tell me!?!?"

Well.. come to think of it - it was a nice surprise.

But back onto topic, yes - "Kippers" was a track that played in the background of one of the sections in the OLD OLD Underworldlive website. It wasn't a download in itself.

If I remember correctly...

it got the name b/c "kippers" was the tile for an actual area of the site. Someone here ripped the track, and just titled it that.

But speaking of the other "alternate versions" ... has anyone else noticed that some songs absolutely sound like "demos" or at least "un mastered" while others sound basically finished?

Like some of the percussion on "Strumpet" just sounds... off to me. While Grace (Telematic Peal) and Hamburg Hotel Essex sound finished

and has anyone tried to figure out a sense of chronology of the tracks? Like "Grace (Telematic Peal Mix)" sounds like it could be after version 2

Champiness

10-06-2010, 07:50 AM

and has anyone tried to figure out a sense of chronology of the tracks? Like "Grace (Telematic Peal Mix)" sounds like it could be after version 2

If memory serves, it was. They played it on one of their radio shows.

Dino3D

10-06-2010, 11:49 AM

How or where can I listen to the alternative versions? I don't wanna buy the box, I have already got the standard CD.

BrotherLovesDub

10-06-2010, 03:20 PM

You're going to regret not getting the box. It's easily the most impressive physical item Underworld have released. Well worth the money.

khouri

10-06-2010, 09:31 PM

How or where can I listen to the alternative versions? I don't wanna buy the box, I have already got the standard CD.

The box is presently the only way to legally obtain the alternate versions. It's really worth the money, the package is beautiful in every respect and extremely reasonably priced for how high quality it is. It will only cost more later.

joethelion

10-07-2010, 06:24 AM

If memory serves, it was. They played it on one of their radio shows.

well - there were two different versions that were played on the radio shows (two different shows as well)

and there was a third version, which sounded like the first one, that was available to stream on UWlive for a while...

So - I'm assuming it went:

Instrumental -> first broadcast version -> second broadcast -> Barking Alt Disc -> Barking Album version

b/c the 2nd broadcast sounds like the Alt Disc one, just without the guitar, and it's a bit shorter

but I also wonder when it was recorded in context with the other tracks...

twicezero

10-07-2010, 02:13 PM

and there was a third version, which sounded like the first one, that was available to stream on UWlive for a while...

Its still there: http://www.underworldlive.com//audiovideo/audio2.asp?DID=697

Dino3D

10-07-2010, 03:12 PM

I'm very sad about the old ALAF, because it's much better than the final album version. :(

stimpee

10-07-2010, 03:32 PM

I'm very sad about the old ALAF, because it's much better than the final album version. :(Well, dont be sad. You have the old ALAF. Make your own version of the album!

Dino3D

10-07-2010, 03:43 PM

Well, dont be sad. You have the old ALAF. Make your own version of the album!

The problem is I haven't got that version, I just heard on youtube. :(

Tendinha

10-07-2010, 04:15 PM

King of Snake

10-08-2010, 03:02 AM

well that wasn't the first ALAF version but it was also my favourite. Loved that bassline (and no silly HEEEEAAAVEN HEEEEEEEAAAAVEN lyrics ;))

joethelion

10-08-2010, 03:27 AM

You mean the "im a big sister lyrics" sung by Karl on the first ALAF version right????
That was so great!
Rick and Karl, we need that version on sale at the Underworldlive shop right now!!!!!

Pleeeeeaaaaaaase :-)

no - that's not the first version.

well, wait - I don't remember what the lyrics were for the 1st live performance (back in 2000 at Electraglide, where it's the beats and whatnot from ALAF then it has the ambient intro to "Mo Move" on it)

there's at least like... Six different versions of ALAF (more if you include the version that you can get via "Live Here Now")

but what's funny, going back through the different versions... a lot of them didn't have a great ending, most of them just awkwardly faded out (like "version 4")

Dino3D

10-08-2010, 07:08 AM

Which ALAF version is on the Disc 2?

I found Version 4 on youtube, it's very great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf0ZXBjQKkQ

And this version. It's also very good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U45swp_jPk&feature=related

TheBang

10-08-2010, 08:18 AM

Version 1 is on the Barking alternate disc.

tokyorai

10-08-2010, 08:34 AM

How many versions exist for ALAF??? jeez, I think I already lost track and don't have all of them now!

Dino3D

10-08-2010, 09:51 AM

Version 1 is on the Barking alternate disc.

Thanks!

Is it maybe the second youtube link that I posted?

purlieu

10-08-2010, 04:21 PM

Isn't the Barking alternate disc one sometimes called Silver Boots? Or was that a different one? I don't like it, anyway. Without the strings it's boring. It needs that pounding beat and funky bassline with the strings and vocals, like... well, like they were doing before it got all housed up for the charts.

Champiness

10-08-2010, 04:50 PM

I found Version 4 on youtube, it's very great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf0ZXBjQKkQ

I put that video up! Taken straight from Underworldlive. :)

Incidentally, is there anywhere I could get my hands on this elusive Electraglide 2000 recording? Besides RTSR?

TheBang

10-08-2010, 05:27 PM

Isn't the Barking alternate disc one sometimes called Silver Boots?
That was Version 2-ish.

Incidentally, is there anywhere I could get my hands on this elusive Electraglide 2000 recording?
It was Electraglide 2003. Here's a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yv9OFHqVns

It's essentially Version 1 played live.

Champiness

10-08-2010, 07:11 PM

It was Electraglide 2003. Here's a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yv9OFHqVns

It's essentially Version 1 played live.

Ah. Nonetheless, I'd like to have it.

Dino3D

10-09-2010, 03:47 AM

Finally I have a Disc 2! I could listen to the whole ALAF (Lemonword) and it's a bit boring. The version 4 is far better.
YDS is very good, and HHE and DJ too, but all the other versions are too similar to the album versions. For example BS is totally like the album version, but shorter.

Now I can tell it strongly that the final Barking versions are much better than the demos, more finished and beaten. And luckily the producers works are so minimal.So Barking is a sterling UW album.

scary man

10-19-2010, 12:36 PM

Grace (Telematic Peal Mix) is a better than the version on the album proper. Other than that, the regular versions of everything else are clearly the finished article (You Do Scribble is pretty much a totally different track to Scribble. They should have just chucked it on at the end after Louisiana, I reckon. As a sort of encore)

I really like Hamburg Hotel (Essex). Very Burial.

negative1

10-26-2010, 04:07 AM

wow, i haven't even listened to them yet!!!

i hope someone's keeping track of all these..

by the way.... i remember a lot of 'bonus' tracks and 'bonus' cds
that were packaged in the japanese / european [german]/ australian
releases... (some were re-issues)... i remember a japanese
2cd set of 'second toughest in the infants' that had
born slippy (short), pearls girl 14996 and puppies:
http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Second-Toughest-In-The-Infants/release/310969

... also, 'dubnobasswithmyheadman'
had 'why why why' and 'rez' on it :
http://www.discogs.com/Underworld-Dubnobasswithmyheadman/release/901889

i don't remember anyone complaining (ok, there might have been a few),
that asked why these weren't included, or alternate versions etc..
well, they didn't have enough space...

slightly different issue ... i know these alternate verrsions / demos are
a whole different set ... but there were prototypes made for 'dubnobasswithmyheadman',
and 'beaucoup fish' that didn't make it into the public, and plenty of extra/different mixes
of tracks that were on vinyl only, or compilations that could have been on albums..

ultimately it's not our decision, and never was.. besides the artistic statement,
a lot of it has to do with the business perspective..

what if we never got a 2nd bonus disc of alternate takes, and those were released
on the web only... would we all have the same opinions? or would the same
arguments apply?

later
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