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znmex3r
10-25-2005, 10:35 AM
:rolleyes: Does anyone know where I can get hold of (download or buy)
Mmm...Skyscraper I Love You EP (Boy's Own BOICD 13)
It's got a classic dance version of Mmm...Skyscraper that I've been searching for for ages.
thanks!
holden
10-25-2005, 11:34 AM
From Bigscreensatellite's site:
http://www.bigscreensatellite.co.uk/mmm.htm
i gather it's pretty rare...i've never seen it, or even heard the complete "telegraph" mix.
big screen satellite
10-25-2005, 01:17 PM
the current CD's go for between £45-£75 on ebay...depending on time of auction really, but sometimes they do come up cheaper...but good luck...
you might 'seek' one out on some p2p...:D
stimpee
10-27-2005, 06:44 AM
The vinyl is A LOT cheaper. it can go for about £10-£15. Is it on itunes?
£20 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UNDERWORLD-Mega-Rare-3-mix-12-SKYSCRAPER-electro-dance_W0QQitemZ4782218568QQcategoryZ9993QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem) on ebay now.
intensifier
11-06-2005, 10:08 AM
Ho, me lucky buyed BOICD13 2 weeks ago for 7 Euros on eBay, nice catch, gentlemen :cool:
I could arrange a download if that is what you want.
stimpee
11-06-2005, 03:33 PM
I could arrange a download if that is what you want.
If you wish to discuss things like this, then please do it away from the forum.
intensifier has just proven that copies can be bought legally and cheaply if youre lucky enough and look hard enough.
Ok, sorry, but I saw that it was referred to p2p so I thought it was ok.
froopy seal
11-07-2005, 12:20 AM
Ok, sorry, but I saw that it was referred to p2p so I thought it was ok.
I don't see how that is more ok than any other form of download ...
Sorry for rubbing it in. :D
Renze
11-07-2005, 02:38 AM
Mmm...skyscraper. That would be cool to have on vinyl. It sounds minimal enough to be hip again on the dancefloor ;)
I think dark & long would do good as well.
King of Snake
11-07-2005, 04:20 AM
yes, after the 80's revival, soon the early 90's will be hip and hot again! :D
Renze
11-07-2005, 04:33 AM
OMG better step in now so we can make a fortune out of the upcoming hype! :D
the mongoose
11-07-2005, 05:15 AM
yes, after the 80's revival, soon the early 90's will be hip and hot again! :D
more like hip and hop again:rolleyes:
now BUST A MOVE!:p
Stephen
11-07-2005, 09:36 AM
If you wish to discuss things like this, then please do it away from the forum.
intensifier has just proven that copies can be bought legally and cheaply if youre lucky enough and look hard enough.
Bloody hell. This is stupid. Maybe in a purely bureaucratic sense you are right, but if you're saying that UW are losing out if you download a rare remix because you might be able to hunt out a 2nd hand copy of Mmm Skyscraper on eBay or somewhere else, then you are, I'm afraid, talking bollocks. Personally I frown upon the unscrupulous way in which many people use p2p (i.e. instead of buying any music at all), but if we're going to get twitchy because someone suggests downloading a rare remix from a long-deleted single release, then we truly are ani (ani being the plural of anus). Is there a serious suggestion that downloading the track in question would deprive UW/JBO of any financial income? Surely it's highly unlikely that Karl, Rick or Steve Hall are actually selling this on eBay in an attempt to balance the books from 13 years ago? And sorry to get all semantic on you, but intensifier has not 'proven that copies can be bought legally and cheaply if youre lucky enough and look hard enough', merely that he/she was lucky enough to find one at such a price. Personally I've found the price to be more in line with what was mooted early in this thread, and hence would encourage anyone who didn't want to pay such a price to download both the Jamscraper and Telegraph remixes as soon as they get the chance, instead of lining some dealer's pockets (unless they really want the artwork or whatever).
stimpee
11-07-2005, 10:00 AM
Bloody hell. This is stupid. Maybe in a purely bureaucratic sense you are right, but if you're saying that UW are losing out if you download a rare remix because you might be able to hunt out a 2nd hand copy of Mmm Skyscraper on eBay or somewhere else, then you are, I'm afraid, talking bollocks. Personally I frown upon the unscrupulous way in which many people use p2p (i.e. instead of buying any music at all), but if we're going to get twitchy because someone suggests downloading a rare remix from a long-deleted single release, then we truly are ani (ani being the plural of anus). Is there a serious suggestion that downloading the track in question would deprive UW/JBO of any financial income?
the principle is that we do not discuss the trading of commercially released material. period. long deleted, rare, whatever. otherwise, where do you draw the line? you have to define which records are rare, and which records are ok to copy and which ones not. im not singling out this or any particular record. its just easier this way.
if you really wish to trade mp3s of Underworld stuff, then I cant stop you. there are other means of contacting each other.
as for the record itself, its becoming quite rare, yes, and its long deleted. i myself dont have a copy either but the official underworld forums cannot be a trading place for Underworld recordings. Who knows what will happen in the future? They could be re-released or on new compilations or a box set and trading here commercially released material here may impact future sales.
lloyd
11-08-2005, 02:53 PM
http://cgi.ebay.nl/underworld-mmm-skyscrsaper-i-love-you_W0QQitemZ4791390044QQcategoryZ43634QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem
happy hunting lads
bryantm3
11-08-2005, 06:26 PM
the principle is that we do not discuss the trading of commercially released material. period. long deleted, rare, whatever. otherwise, where do you draw the line? you have to define which records are rare, and which records are ok to copy and which ones not. im not singling out this or any particular record. its just easier this way.
if you really wish to trade mp3s of Underworld stuff, then I cant stop you. there are other means of contacting each other.
as for the record itself, its becoming quite rare, yes, and its long deleted. i myself dont have a copy either but the official underworld forums cannot be a trading place for Underworld recordings. Who knows what will happen in the future? They could be re-released or on new compilations or a box set and trading here commercially released material here may impact future sales.
how about we draw the line at what is currently still in production/on shelves in music stores?
if it's available as a legal download online, or available directly from the record company, we don't go there. but if it's out of print, we can talk about mp3s.
how about we draw the line at what is currently still in production/on shelves in music stores?
if it's available as a legal download online, or available directly from the record company, we don't go there. but if it's out of print, we can talk about mp3s.
lemme see if i can guess stimpee's response; nope, sorry. ;)
fwiw, it took me about five years to track down the M.E./Hump 12''. it's so worth the effort to track rare stuff down, or trade for it as the case may be.
as has already been mentioned, all this talk really should be over at RTSR.
:)
Stephen
11-09-2005, 04:19 AM
as has already been mentioned, all this talk really should be over at RTSR.
:)
Having not been on RTSR in about 5 years, I may be wrong here, but doesn't RTSR also not deal in trades of official releases? Like I say, maybe I'm wrong. Plus, I fail to see how it's OK to talk about downloading material within the headset form, but not about downloading a rare UW b-side in here. Am I being over-sensitive or is this a double-standard? Get that fucking mod-hammer on the go stimpee.
ok people,
dirty has NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER looked kindly upon discussion of underworld downloads, mainly out of respect for the fact that underworld is part of dirty and talking about snagging their stuff for free is a bit rude.
rtsr has official releases for download, but rtsr isn't dirty.org
Yannick
11-09-2005, 06:22 AM
calm down guys..
if the thing is deleted no where to be found, do whatever you have to do to get it, and save your money to buy the new stuff or enjoy the concerts.
oh and you shouldn't just redirect all the talk to rtsr.. it's a better place to talk about it yes because it was started to trade live recording and rare stuff, but this doesn't mean all discussions should be banned from dirty.
King of Snake
11-09-2005, 06:57 AM
Agreed with Yannick.
He actually makes sense sometimes, when he doesn't speak in riddles ;)
intensifier
11-09-2005, 06:58 AM
calm down guys..
if the thing is deleted no where to be found, do whatever you have to do to get it, and save your money to buy the new stuff or enjoy the concerts.
That is damn RIGHT. Do NOT P2P the stuff that is available on CD or on legal download forums, but if you are desperate cos you've been searching half of your life, then... ;)
Written by a Biiiig UW Fan
Stephen
11-09-2005, 08:49 AM
So I win? A rare victory for common sense.
Being polite isn't common sense anymore? :confused:
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11-09-2005, 11:16 AM
Just wanted to point out that the first UW CD I bought was the Fish, but after I had kind of gotten sick of techno (mostly because the other CD I had what Fatboy Slim and I really started to hate it) I put it away, but 3 years later I wondered, "What are these guys up to???", and loaded up Kazaa and grabbed the songs Mo Move and Two Months Off, which I loved, and got back into the band...had I not I'd never have bought AHDO, never would had gone back and gotten dubnobass or Second Toughest, or their anthology, or whatever weird releases I can find in the CD store, would have never even heard about Orbital or Aphex Twin and never had bought any of their CDs, never had bought a turntable to play some of this cool vinyl on, never would have found Eno who gets namechecked a lot on these boards, never would have bought Another Green World or Before and After Science, never would have gotten into the other stuff Eno did which led me to King Crimson, which led me to Yes and Genesis and all of my other favorite bands, so imagine how much they would have lost had I *not* downloaded those songs :eek:
With that said free mp3 (http://www.newtraditionalists.com/music/Funkastic.mp3)
Plus, I fail to see how it's OK to talk about downloading material within the headset form
easy now...
show me where i've condoned dl'ing commercial releases of any kind here in the headset forum.
...point that thing somewhere else.
So I win? A rare victory for common sense.
more so for fuck-all instant gratification.
what qualifies as "rare" or "hard-to-find"?... out of print?
joethelion
11-09-2005, 11:27 AM
...well
no one complained when I posted those Simply Red mixes...
or when "Water from a Vine Leaf (Underworld mix 1)" was posted either...
those are two examples of rare stuff that you can only buy second hand, and are long out of print, and are rare
Stephen
11-10-2005, 01:36 AM
easy now...
show me where i've condoned dl'ing commercial releases of any kind here in the headset forum.
...point that thing somewhere else.
That 'thing' wasn't/isn't pointed at you anyway. It was more a general point directed at the administration. Easy now yourself...
Very valid point from Joe there too.
well, STITI is OOP... so that's fair game, too, i guess.
eh, whatever...
King of Snake
11-13-2005, 01:56 AM
well, STITI is OOP...
since when?
IsiliRunite
11-14-2005, 02:56 PM
Something can't hurt sales if it's not being sold.:)
stimpee
11-14-2005, 04:40 PM
no one complained when I posted those Simply Red mixes...
or when "Water from a Vine Leaf (Underworld mix 1)" was posted either...
those are two examples of rare stuff that you can only buy second hand, and are long out of print, and are rare
Something can't hurt sales if it's not being sold.:)
well, despite being mixes that are unavailable on CD or only on promo and not releases by Underworld, but remixes by Underworld, the rules were still being bent. This is an official Underworld single released on CD and despite being out of print, still shows up on ebay and other online stores and auction sites (which is besides the point anyway). This is an official Underworld site but some of you don't think its disrespectful to be providing links to this stuff, ON THIS site? If you really want this stuff you will find it, somehow. But telling people specifically where they can find it or providing URLs for direct download is not acceptable.
As for being out of print being the benchmark for suddenly providing mp3 links to files, how much of the Underworld back catalogue do you think is still available to order from the record companies? If they aren't pressing new copies of Dinosaur Adventure 3D anymore (and I wonder if they are), would it be ok to give everyone all the mixes for free? Just because its still easily available doesn't mean its not out of print, is the point I'm making here.
You can discuss the subject of this all you like though. I'm not telling you how to think, or what to write. As Yannick says, "this doesn't mean all discussions should be banned from dirty."
Sorry for being the bastard moderator from hell but these rules have existed (I guess mostly through common sense) since before I was even a member, never mind a moderator.
joethelion
11-15-2005, 05:12 AM
um...
underworld make nothing off of stuff sold on ebay, vinyl exchange, any promo release sold, or anything second-hand
just because I can find the Simply Red mixes (for example) on ebay... doesn't mean that they're not rare -> and anyways - I've never seen either the SR mixes, or that William Orbit mix EVER in any format or on any website for sale
underworld make nothing off of stuff sold on ebay, vinyl exchange, any promo release sold, or anything second-hand
just because I can find the Simply Red mixes (for example) on ebay... doesn't mean that they're not rare -> and anyways - I've never seen either the SR mixes, or that William Orbit mix EVER in any format or on any website for sale
the point is that many people get an extremely bad taste in their mouths when you mention giving their music away for free.
just the other day i read a story from a dude who had just sold a CD to a punter at a show. the punter's friend said "i want a CD but i don't have any cash" to which the punter replied "oh, you can just copy mine". the dude had trouble resisting throwing punches.
joethelion
11-15-2005, 09:45 AM
you see... I don't see why anyone would get mad at the guy who said 'you can copy mine'... as the dude who sold the cd, is just as bad - if not worse than the person copying the disc for his friend. I say this b/c he's not only 'sharing' the disc, he's also making money off the band... and his actions meant that the punter will never have to 'properly' buy the CD at a shop, in which the band would earn money
...the only situation in which the dude could be pissed if:
• he's a member of the band, and is selling the cd's to make extra money off the gig
• he's associated with the band, like manager / street team / et al. So, the number of discs he sells actively effects his work
the point is that many people get an extremely bad taste in their mouths when you mention giving their music away for free.
just the other day i read a story from a dude who had just sold a CD to a punter at a show. the punter's friend said "i want a CD but i don't have any cash" to which the punter replied "oh, you can just copy mine". the dude had trouble resisting throwing punches.
(edit)
but I just want to make this clear - there's no excuse to download commmon albums, or singles without the intention of later buying said release - especially if the release is available in the shops, online, and not deleted/out of print
It just infuriates me how people will get pissed and say that you can 'easily' get the release, and not download it... then link to ebay or some "Online Collectable Record Store" - that's worse than getting the tracks for free as a third party makes a profit... and the original band makes nothing off it
lloyd
11-15-2005, 10:04 AM
just one quick remark...
When it is on sale at ebay or a collectable record store, isn't it bought then before? And didn't the band that the cd made, got money from that sale?
what qualifies as "rare" or "hard-to-find"?... out of print?Probably stuff that's rare and hard to find.;)
...well
no one complained when I posted those Simply Red mixes...
or when "Water from a Vine Leaf (Underworld mix 1)" was posted either...
those are two examples of rare stuff that you can only buy second hand, and are long out of print, and are rareI missed the Simply Red remixes. They still floating around out there? And you know what else I missed the boat on? Biro the Leggy. As much as I'd love to pay someone for something that was never for sale, I was wondering if anyone might have it available for free?
• he's a member of the band, and is selling the cd's to make extra money off the gig
oh, i neglected to mention that.
joethelion
11-15-2005, 10:54 AM
not necessarily
if they're (proper) promo's then the band never made anything off them
they were only released to promote the band and their official release
it's just that a LOT (majority, possibly) of record stores will sell these promo items...
for example: I paid $15 for the DFA remixes of NIN's "the hand that feeds" ...only to find a local store giving them away - b/c they were promo's (as well as the Orb's "Aftermath" Ep, and NIN's "Only" Richard X/El-P mixes)
just one quick remark...
When it is on sale at ebay or a collectable record store, isn't it bought then before? And didn't the band that the cd made, got money from that sale?
Stephen
11-16-2005, 02:10 AM
It just infuriates me how people will get pissed and say that you can 'easily' get the release, and not download it... then link to ebay or some "Online Collectable Record Store" - that's worse than getting the tracks for free as a third party makes a profit... and the original band makes nothing off it
Personally I don't see how this makes any difference. If you're buying an OOP second hand commerical release from a 3rd-party/eBay/whatever, you can assume that at least 9 times out of 10 the release has come from the record label's distributor and the label/artist took some money against that particular copy in the first instance. After that, if you want to pay a second hand dealer x amount so you can own the actual physical copy, then that's up to you. I seriously doubt that in the majority of cases this deprives the artist of any profit. They would have taken what they wanted off the original sale. If you want to download tracks on p2p then fine, but to return to your original point, you don't know that the source of these files actually generated any cash for the artist. Is it not the case nowadays that many albums are shared online before release from free promo copies? This is neither here nor there really. I just felt an inexplicable need to defend the profession of second hand record dealing.
Stephen
11-16-2005, 02:13 AM
I see my point(s) has already been made. I stand by my reiteration.
intensifier
11-16-2005, 07:12 AM
calm down guys..
if the thing is deleted no where to be found, do whatever you have to do to get it, and save your money to buy the new stuff or enjoy the concerts.
Hmm, that's it. Should I have a bad taste in MY mouth?
I buyed lots of UW Collection (OK, nearly most of it) on eBay, especially the MCD/CDS stuff, not the albums! And I do not feel guilty at all. Am I unloyal?
I will buy the new stuff, twice if neccessary, and I will go on concerts as long as I can stand on my own two feet.
Do we talk about being a real true fan, or do we talk about commerce?
stimpee
11-16-2005, 08:11 AM
Personally I don't see how this makes any difference. If you're buying an OOP second hand commerical release from a 3rd-party/eBay/whatever, you can assume that at least 9 times out of 10 the release has come from the record label's distributor and the label/artist took some money against that particular copy in the first instance. I seriously doubt that in the majority of cases this deprives the artist of any profit.Well, for past sales you are correct. The limited run of cds pressed have all been sold and generated as much money for the band as possible. However, its quite likely in this day and age that the whole back catalogue will become available in the future, either as a CD pressing or on an online store in an itunes-like fashion. I think offering Underworld songs on the official Underworld forum is in bad taste, and may be hitting future sales. If you can get a 320kbps rip on here, are you gonna buy it when it appears online?
If you really must get it, get it somewhere else.
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