It's all back Pete Tong (new Underworld - Electronic Part One))

[Yannick]

watching the sunrise, watching the sunrise, watching the sunrise, watching the sunrise you think i'm an idiot a french boy (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/dance/petetong/index.shtml)

[votingfloater]

are you suggesting tonights broadcast as essential listening, Yannick?

[ndrwrld]

so...im in EST...so, that means at noon here ( 6 hours behind i do believe ) ???
MORE HINTS PLEASE ! !

[Raz]

Hopefully it'll be the first song like he did with TMO, so I can listen on the way to the gym :D

[lloyd]

so...im in EST...so, that means at noon here ( 6 hours behind i do believe ) ???
MORE HINTS PLEASE ! !

google/worldclock

[lloyd]

Actually, it starts now.
6 UK 7EU etc..

[ndrwrld]

the bloody player wont start...says ' error on page '.
URL ?

[stimpee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/realaudio/media/r1live.ram

theres an .ra link inside that.

[ndrwrld]

IM TRYING TO PLAY THAT WITH MY WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER CLASSIC...but it says cant render file..ive set it up to allow all kinds of media..real media ( ram )...still no go
help !?!

[ndrwrld]

so now ive downloaded Real media player...despite it being very difficult to remove from my puter ( if necessary, and it was before ).
now i have real player, and it will not play the ram file...windows error thing pops up.
FUCK !

[ndrwrld]

SCREW IT.
Real Media player just crashed my puter...junk i tell ya.

[big screen satellite]

Friday 21st October 2005

Coburn - 'We Interrupt This Programme' (Data)
Red Carpet - 'Alright' (Positiva / Subliminal)
Madonna - 'Hung Up (Sdp's Extended Vocal)' (Maverick / Warners)
Schwarb - 'DJ's In A Row' (EMI)
Planet Funk - 'Everybody' (Bustin Loose)
Pharrel Williams Feat Gwen Stefani - 'Can I Have It Like That?' (Virgin)
Phillipe B - 'Can You Party' (Cyber / Data)
Ian Carey & Mochico Feat Miss Bunty - 'Say What U Want (Dub)' (Joia / Nero)
Future Funk - 'Wildberry Tracks (Dr Kucho Remix)' (Boss Records)
London Elektricity - 'Will To Love' (Hostpital Records)
LCD Soundsystem - 'Tribulations' (DFA / EMI)

This Week's Essential New Tune
Fischerspooner - 'A Kick In The Teeth (Tiefschwarz Remix)' (EMI)

The Disco Evangelists - 'De Niro' (Positiva)
Sex-O-Sonique - 'I Thought It Was You' (Ffrr)

The Buzz Chart - Compiled By Dmcupdate.Com
Kings Of Tomorrow - '6pm (Sandy 's Blackwiz Remix)' (Defected)
Annie - 'The Wedding (Lindstrom & Prins Thomas Remix)' (!K7)
Royksopp - 'What Else Is There? (Trentemoller Remix)' (Wall Of Sound)
Seb Fontaine & Jay P - 'Do The Do' (Mono-Type)
Buzz No.1
Daft Punk - 'Human After All' (Virgin)

Depeche Mode - 'A Pain That I Am Used To (Jacuque Lu Cont Remix)' (Mute)
Wally Lopez - 'Do You Wanna Dance With Me (Pete Tong & James Talk Remix)' (Pacha)
Stretch Sylvester - 'What You Want (Mike Monday Remix)' (Playtime)
Cirez D - 'Re Match' (Mooseville)
Luke Drizelbak - 'Echo / Fibonacci Sequence (Ricky Ryan Re-Edit)' (Silver Planet/Pioneer)

DJ On The Phone - Craig Richards
Transparent Sound 'Vintage' (Tyrant)

Underworld - 'Electronic Part 1' (White Label)
Locodice - 'Jacuzzi Games' (Ovum)
Lindstrom & Prins Thomas - 'Turkish Delight' (Eskimo Recordings)
Noir - 'All About House Music' (Wyze Recordings)

does that help....

not heard it but its on the track listing...oohh new tune

[ndrwrld]

so...who's gonna be kind enough to share the new song wiff me ?

[lloyd]

Great track! :)

[gambit]

Please tell me someone recorded this.

[big screen satellite]

accoring to my surces (Stimpee) who listened to it,

it's 'Bang the Poll' with vocoder lyrics....

not another track...but still Tongy has it...its out there....

*starts scouring ebay* ;)

[*_*]

damn... ...damn, damn! took my wife out to dinner, and forget to set the sky box.

seriously, anybody rip this?

[stimpee]

Underworld - Electronic Part One

its a rip from the stream so dont expect miracles but its here (http://s8.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0V1DRGKLGW6BJ282LE7Q1NVJA7) and it'll be there for another 7 days.

enjoy.

[sunflowereye]

Underworld - Electronic Part One

its a rip from the stream so dont expect miracles but its here (http://s8.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0V1DRGKLGW6BJ282LE7Q1NVJA7) and it'll be there for another 7 days.

enjoy.


Thank you very much! :D

[thee carp dreamer]

immediate thoughts on the track:

this is the original mix, the other track with the unvocodered vox is the remix by paul woolford. probably.

this track is rather cool. the inflection is still cool. i like the funky lo-fi-ness of it, with the slow groove. and 25mins. :):):):) like thing in a book, with lyrics and more drums.

nothing shockingly awesome though. but still rather cool.

(or maybe this is part one, and the clean vox version is part two....?)

i've got a funny feeling that this track may just rock hard live.

(also, notice that tongy said "next underworld project" as opposed to "next underworld album". i.e. it's a soundtrack)

[crank]

Thanks for the mp3 rip...

first thoughts: Sounds like PRINCE.

[BeautifulBurnout]

oooooooohhhhhhh niiiiiiiiicccccccceeeeee :D

I find it easier to decypher the lyrics on here than I do on Bang the Poll (which really ought to be Bang the Pole if you listen to the context in lyrics)

Signed


Mrs Pedantic



Seriously, though, I like this version very much too. :)

[goldfish]

*snore*

Even more underwhelming than TMO, which was one of the greatest musical disappointments I can remember.

[EDIT] Fucking hell - Human After All in the Buzz Chart? There must be some stunning mixes for that dog to feature...

Simon

[BeautifulBurnout]

/me whacks simon with a wet blanket

[goldfish]

Sorry, it was just boring. If that's the best of it, they're fucked.

Simon

[potatobroth]

did it play yet? im confused by all that tracklisting mumbo jumbo.

[potatobroth]

nevermind. getting it now. (TMO was great Simon, you nut :P)

[BeautifulBurnout]

(TMO was great Simon, you nut :P)

WORD!

Simon, I love you, but really....

[Malt Refund]

Hey I love it.. I'm really happy if this is the direction the album is headed.

[Malt Refund]

Second listen now.. yes yes. Lets not touch this track and put it on the album as is okay gents? Would love it if there was a better version out there but thanks for putting this up.

[dubman]

KILL THE VOCODER FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK.

other than that very nicey very funky and kinda pricey

[Malt Refund]

Dirts, should they keep the vocoder or not? I say they should keep it.

With Underworld songs I try to do two things:
1) Decipher lyrics
2) Understand lyrics

I try to at least get to stage one with every uw song because naturally I want to sing along with Karl. I know ill never be able to get to stage one with this as it is now and that pains me but honestly I can't help but appriciate how nice it sounds with the vocoder.

[ndrwrld]

LOSE the vocoder.
Karls voice was one of the reasons why i love Underworld.

yes...the other, is Ricks madass twiddling with things until you feel like your head comes clean off.

[dubman]

i still can't even believe there's a vocoder... it just seems so superfluous to mess with a good voice with something sounding so unecessary.
and the music is so good...

maybe i should just go with it and see what happens.

i dont think i've ever immediately liked anything by them

[Forgotten Sanity]

Keep the vocoder, dammit. It's awesome, it helps the vox become just another instrument, which to me is really fresh. THIS TRACK IS 25 MINUTES FUCKING LONG?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

With all I've heard, I expect this album to hold its own. I expect it to be as good as STITI, and I really think that it will. All that I've heard that's new from the boys has had a ton of swagger to it. The beats are once again funky, and the music is just so incredibly edgy.

BRING IT ON.

[potatobroth]

Second listen now.. yes yes. Lets not touch this track and put it on the album as is okay gents? Would love it if there was a better version out there but thanks for putting this up.

gonna be part of a 25min track, so says Pete Tong. i smell EP. :)

[potatobroth]

keep the vocoder. its a part of UW now. also, a 25 min track is gonna have to go through some transitions -- i imagine karls voice will make a cameo :)

[gambit]

First thought: hey, the beat and rhythm sound pretty cool; wouldn't expect this out of R+K.

Second thought: what the hell? The vocoder is way over done, and I can't figure out what the hell Karl is saying in order to sing along/interpret the song. It's starting to sound like a mess.

Third thought: the beat and nonstop vocals do seem to melt together, and on second listen it did sorta grow on me. Still, what the hell? I'm not excited by this piece, and if it goes on for 25 minutes, it better get extremely good at the end for this first part to work. Maybe this is work for the soundtrack? I don't know.

[the mongoose]

talk about ruining a track.........:(

the vocoder is just godawful and uninpired...really doesn't do the lyrics (or Karl's voice) any justice and I'd agree that it makes the track *snooze* right on by.....so please kill the "Cher Machine".:(:(

[Techno_Bunny]

it's like telling a painter to use different colours/use more/less paint/other brushes/no brushes at all etc etc etc; who do you think you are telling UW how to make their music?

[goldfish]

it's like telling a painter to use different colours/use more/less paint/other brushes/no brushes at all etc etc etc; who do you think you are telling UW how to make their music?
If it was any good, noone would've even mentioned the vocoder.

And on what planet does anyone here think that Pete Tong would've played the shit bit of a 20 minute track?

Compare the impact of this (and no, I'm not saying I want them to remake BF, Dubnno or STITI) with the way you felt the first time you heard Tongy play KoS, Cowgirl or Pearl's Girl. Even Pete sounded disinterested.

Simon

[jose m]

how the fuck can anything from a band that you have followed for years have the same impact as the first time you heard them?get a grip,i'm sure our lives have all moved on somewhat from those times and nothing will ever recapture those moments or our youth.
goldfish seems to want to recreate the buzz he felt years ago but i think that he's asking too much.some people want to be blown away by everything any artist does and but in the history of artistic endever when has that every happened?please tell me?
with underworld most of us have decided by now that we like them and what they do,we don't think things are black and white,100 days of is shit,second toughtest is the bench mark etc etc we are following what they do as artists over a period if time and are happy to go on the journey with them.
instead of bleeting about how this isn't up to standard just listen to the albums you like,we all do it,have bits and pieces of an artists career that we love and other parts that didn't do it for us.some people love "lets dance" "tin machine" etc and hate "low" "heroes",its just horses for courses.
regarding the new track i think i would wait until i hear it on my head phones or a decent stereo before judging the sonics.
suppose i should listen to it now !

[jose m]

its gonna sound massive,this isn't a radio track,can't wait to blast it out and feel the bass.

[Leon]

how the fuck can anything from a band that you have followed for years have the same impact as the first time you heard them?get a grip,i'm sure our lives have all moved on somewhat from those times and nothing will ever recapture those moments or our youth.
goldfish seems to want to recreate the buzz he felt years ago but i think that he's asking too much.some people want to be blown away by everything any artist does and but in the history of artistic endever when has that every happened?please tell me?
with underworld most of us have decided by now that we like them and what they do,we don't think things are black and white,100 days of is shit,second toughtest is the bench mark etc etc we are following what they do as artists over a period if time and are happy to go on the journey with them.
instead of bleeting about how this isn't up to standard just listen to the albums you like,we all do it,have bits and pieces of an artists career that we love and other parts that didn't do it for us.some people love "lets dance" "tin machine" etc and hate "low" "heroes",its just horses for courses.
regarding the new track i think i would wait until i hear it on my head phones or a decent stereo before judging the sonics.
suppose i should listen to it now !

Goldfish isn't expecting too much, he just thinks that Underworld can do better.
And to be honest, you could hear Karl's REAL voice pretty good in Bang The Poll and it really rocks, it made it really bad-ass.
The song is pretty good, but the vocoder sound kinda ruins it for me. Well I SOMETIMES had the feeling it actually sounded ok, but mostly I did not like it very much. But that's just my opinion.

[goldfish]

we are following what they do as artists over a period if time and are happy to go on the journey with them.

Bollocks. I like the music, not the band. If the music's great, that's cool, the other stuff that goes with is all well and good, but if the music's shit where's the value of the journey?

If I've liked a band's output in the past, I'll always give their new releases a chance, but if their releases have no merit, what's the point? You don't owe them anything, particularly if they're giving nothing back. Until BornSlippy.NUXX08 of course.

Simon

[jose m]

yeah what is the point?over the years you've made it clear that you don't think the material is upto standard but and you keep on like the misery in the corner of a club talking about how it was loads better in the old days.
why bother?

[goldfish]

why bother?

Eternal optimist.

[jose m]

nice one,not enough of those around. :)

[King of Snake]

First impression:
Hmmm, I must say the remix (if that's what it was) we heard earlier was waaay better than this. (that would be a first)
I have nothing against vocoders. UW have done some of the best vocoder tracks ever, but this just sounds uninspired at best.

[the mongoose]

Sometimes.....just sometimes...the vocoder thing works (usually on the parts where you can hear the real Karl as well....on the first listen I didn't even hear the other voice. More going on in the background of this track, lots of little touches you don't hear the first time around too (sounds A LOT like Ancient Fat Farm Coat near the end....maybe Farm Coat is a part of the 20 minutes too..hmmm.) If this track is released as is...I would REALLY suggest turning up the "real voice track" up quite a bit in the mastering phase.

Besides, Daft Punk already proved that Robots suck ass at singing.....:p;)

[Malt Refund]

I think you guys would have loved it if you hadn't heard Bang the Poll. If you hadnt heard the original you all would be salivating over this I promise.

[*_*]

intrigued is all i'll say. definitely looking forward to the remixes of this one. :)

thanks stimpee, for posting a rip of the track.

[rtzig]

I would REALLY suggest turning up the "real voice track" up quite a bit in the mastering phase.

Mastering has nothing to do with changing levels or elements in a mix. Anything like this would require an artist to redo the mix before it was sent to be mastered. Mastering involves making sure that the disc flows well. All of the songs are level matched, songs are equalized a little to help them match, the whole disc is usually run through a little equalization and compression (or a shit ton of limiting, as is more the case these days). The master copy is then sent to the pressing plant.

Sorry, it's what I'm studying and it bothers me when people get it wrong.

[stimpee]

thanks stimpee, for posting a rip of the track.
well i know everyone wanted to hear it asap. sorry the stream broke up so there are a few gaps but i cut them out and boosted the volume and mp3'd it. it says its a 96kbps but thats the lowest encode you can do without losing 44.1khz/stereo. Its actually a 32kbps/stereo real audio so I think you should all take that into consideration.

This will sound considerably richer and fuller, especially the bass. Much less tinnyness. As for my opinion on it, i like the groove and I think the bass will sound great on a pair of big speaker coming from a CD source. I already like the crazy chicken lyrics of JAL to tokyo/Bang the poll so thats all good. The vocoder, well, sure why not? Its not exactly Cher - Believe is it? (do you believe in life after love?)

Anyway, I've just got the whole essential selection in 192kbps from a UK source so i'll get that to you asap. Watch this space.

[viddy]

I like the new track in that I can see how it might build up into a crazy wicked jam with a more 4/4 beat in the usual Underworld style, especially if this is a 25 minute track.

I do agree about the vocodor. TURN IT DOWN. I'd like to hear the dry vocal more, with the vocodor effect as more of a background embellishment.

[stimpee]

Anyway, I've just got the whole essential selection in 192kbps from a UK source so i'll get that to you asap. Watch this space.
and here it is (http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34SKF5Y1009XH0TB7HTC0RHORA) as promised. This will be available for 7 days.

time to listen again, and re-appraise.

[undarrenworld]

Cheers Stimpee:D

[King of Snake]

I think you guys would have loved it if you hadn't heard Bang the Poll. If you hadnt heard the original you all would be salivating over this I promise.

sorry but i don't think so.

[gaborez]

well done stimpee :)

i like this... nice groove and tonnes of lyrics. i think AHDO suffered a bit for a lack of Karls voice on it. lots of instrumentals & juanita on one. mo move only had 1 or 2 lines in it too i think. i reckon this new track has more vox than the whole of AHDO! karl's been writing again. lots. cant wait for a new album/project in whatever form that's gonna take.

bring it on guys:)

[King of Snake]

btw, there was definitely a bit of this in the 1 1/2 seconds of new album bits from the Dirtyradio show. :) (it's the 3rd sample)

[gambit]

I think you guys would have loved it if you hadn't heard Bang the Poll. If you hadnt heard the original you all would be salivating over this I promise.This is the first time I've heard it, and I'm still not thrilled by it. The vocoder is way over done, imo.

[patrick]

i smelly juanita/kiteless/to dream of love pt. 2 ???

[joethelion]

ok - after reading like five pages ...I am just gonna go ahead and post

the track ROCKS

I love the vocoder - anyways, you really can't properly evaluate how it sounds from a shitty streaming file!

it's like a good chill / grooving track... I smell a builder of a track, know what I mean?

[Techno_Bunny]

Thanks so much Stimpee :)

[Malt Refund]

Thanks Stimpee..

[the mongoose]

yeah thanks!:cool:

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Absolutely love when people take chances.

Not necessarily "new" in sound, but definately NEW territory for Underworld.

Nice 1/2 appetizer(25 minutes???!!!); can't wait for the main course . . .




SINCEREST APOLOGIES about forgetting to praise and thanks **stimpee**, AS ALWAYS FILLING THE MOSES ROLE HERE AT dirty.org leading the blind.

[gambit]

Okay, the vocoder effect isn't as harsh as I first heard it (listening to better recording), but I still think it should be turned down a little.

[potatobroth]

the cadence to this song is unreal. well well done.

[Forgotten Sanity]

Karl's syncopation with the beat is just freaking awesome. This is why I don't mind the vocoder, the words just kind of blend in with the beat and it sounds like another instrument. It's a shame that some of you are voicing disapproval, I'm freaking excited for this album now!

And yeah, people have made music that sounds similar to this but this still has a sound that belongs exclusively to Underworld. I'm also excited to find out what Pete Tong might've meant when he said that UW was gearing up for the next phase in their career... :)

[patrick]

i am not too into the vocoder either, i also wish it was karls voice that was prominent and the vocoder was in the background. this is WAY different than the vocoder usage in stiti. here it seems it is either a computer, or the vocoder is delayed.

i am hoping for something nicer. alaf is what i like, but needs more lyrics, as many as this song.

[*_*]

oooo... thanks for the better rip stimpee! while the vocoder's a bit "harsh"... i'd say the track has the potential to blow the roof off of a small-ish venue (read Hammerstein Ballroom for those New Yorker dirts here).

as i said before, i'm intrigued! ears perked up for sure.


bring it!

[Malt Refund]

Hammerstein is a small venue? It's like the largest we have. ;(

[potatobroth]

Karl's syncopation with the beat is just freaking awesome.

thats the word i was struggling to find. cadence, but more syncopation. and i agree, it makes me bop in my chair.

[potatobroth]

Hammerstein is a small venue? It's like the largest we have. ;(


i always think of Hammerstein as a small venue. i dont know why cuz yer right, its the largest we have.

[Ally]

if the music's shit where's the value of the journey?


Just my two cents - if you can relate to the music, who cares if it's good?

[ndrwrld]

i think this songs got a sexy groove to it.
not even sure if Karls voice is being ' vocoded '...sounds more like a filter, or distortion.
keep em coming !

[rudydaduck]

i am more interested in this concept of a "project" that pete tong referred to.... also the idea that karl will reveal more some time soon. somebody throw a stale crumb to the damned birds..... (yannick, no letter anagrams). vocorder no vocorder, everyone one is ready for it. so bring it.

[holden]

First off, thanks Stimpee for sharing!

Lots of good, valid comments in this thread and we can debate the use/misuse of vocoding, old vs. new material, whether Tong sounded enthused/bored, etc...

Key thing is, we've got new music coming, potentially lots of it! Not every track is gonna impact with everyone, fan or not...this may be a case where the remix ("Bang the Poll" Woolford mix) is better than the original. It happens. Anyway, this is still a white label. "Electronic Part One"..sounds like the "electronic Battle Weapon" series that the Chemical Brothers employ to test their new sounds. Some elements are kept, others get tossed. If this is part of a 25 minute suite, it could be the best/worst/medium bit of a hugely epic track. i've got my fingers crossed that it'll rock, and til then will reserve judgement of two artists who have always produced great tunes!
:)
holden

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Might be just me, but I'm hearing multi layered vocal tracks (3-4). There's Karl with no effect, in sync with a high pitched vocoder, then a low pitched vocoder, and maybe even a third at some points when the beat gets thrown off course(LOVE IT!) here and there. Forgive me if I've used these terms incorrect(you die-hard techy-producers of the future), I'm not trained in music other than simply an appreciator of it.

Hearing from those commenting on a the vocoder being too heavy, just a suggestion for future listens. Don't think I've ever heard a track using this style of vocal/vocoder layering, if that's actually what I'm hearing (only two times, & I'm off to my third & fouth, this shit's like crack). Love the shit-talking Karl's throwing around, always wondered what his wicked side is like and his subtle/abstract way of doing so stays true to form.

[dubnobasswithme]

thank ya, stimpee!

:D :D

[jose m]

there's defineately more than one vocal,its sort of a duet,sometimes the treated voice, sometimes dry and sometimes both together.its gonna be more layered than this radio rip suggests i think.

[Leon]

Ooooooh I love it when Underworld goes "intelligent" like on STITI :D:D

Anyway, listening to the better recording, I'm much more positive about the vocoder, it sounds pretty bad-ass. Still I REALLY love the lyrics with his NORMAL voice on Bang The Poll too...

[groovypanda]

just listened to the track and also somewhat underwhelmed - its alright but it doesn't stand out or anything and its nothing i'd rave about - and i've got it in my winamp playlist on random and by chance it was followed by treva whateva's dustbowl - now that's a sexy groove that made the UW effort seem even less impressive - but hey, that's just my opinion and everyone here is entitled to theirs...

and if it is a 25 min track then i'd need to hear all of it to really judge it - but to be honest my track record with UW's 20+ minute songs is not good as thing in a book is about 18 mins too long for me...

[Céj]

25 mins is obviously too long for an album, maybe we have to think in an other direction, like an audio dvd or something i don't know, i do remember they reacted strangely when someone asked if they had plans for a new dvd

it has to be something more than just a new album, i can feel it

[Icke]

25 mins is obviously too long for an album, maybe we have to think in an other direction, like an audio dvd or something i don't know, i do remember they reacted strangely when someone asked if they had plans for a new dvd

it has to be something more than just a new album, i can feel it
How about a soundtrack...

[groovypanda]

i though this track was music from the soundtrack they're working on and not a new 'studio' album - and the thing with soundtracks is that the music sometimes doesn't work outside the context of the film...

[Dirty0900]

Im really not feeling this track at all, vocoder sounds daft, mkaes the voclas to hard to hear. I really hope this aint an album track, its making everything on AHDO sound like Dubno.

Sorry kids, aint gonna praise it just coz this is the UW forum.

[Céj]

don't you think it's a bit early to hear an (almost) completed song from the soundtrack, they are not recording for that long and with the gabriel yared involvement it probably won't sound like this

i can be completely wrong though

[Leon]

don't you think it's a bit early to hear an (almost) completed song from the soundtrack, they are not recording for that long and with the gabriel yared involvement it probably won't sound like this

i can be completely wrong though

Well I don't know how much the song is a work in progress, but concidering the time they've had since AHDO...

[goldfish]

treva whateva's dustbowl - now that's a sexy groove

Hahaha now THAT's fucking lovely. Thank you very much - had over looked the Treva album, 'cos I couldn't believe Singalong was on it (which must be almost 4 years old now), but it's really good.

Simon

[the mongoose]

maybe they did a special version of the track with a vocal masking effect added so we fuckers on the net can't burn it and sell it............???

Seems like a smart move to me..."release" the remix first so people hear the vocals and start to get into it......then "release" the "real" track, but add lots of effects to a handful of the vocal tracks to mess with us (the potential sonic theives amoungst us mainly), and then finally RELEASE ON CD/DVD the REAL track that sounds like the music from "electronic" with the vocals from "bang the poll" with just a touch of the effects added to the vocals.

At least I hope so.....I can sing into a fan in a monotone voice and recreate the vocals on "Electronic Singer Part 1":p

[rtzig]

Might be just me, but I'm hearing multi layered vocal tracks (3-4). There's Karl with no effect, in sync with a high pitched vocoder, then a low pitched vocoder, and maybe even a third at some points when the beat gets thrown off course(LOVE IT!) here and there.

I think that's a correct assessment of it. Only one of the three really bugs me. If the higher pitched one came down a bit in the mix, I think it would work a little better.

[goldfish]

I think that's a correct assessment of it. Only one of the three really bugs me. If the higher pitched one came down a bit in the mix, I think it would work a little better.
Seriously, who gives a fuck about the vocals, vocoder or not? The whole track's as dull as arse. No amount fo vodery non-vocodery stuff's going to compensate for that.

Simon

[joethelion]

I don't think it's dull - it's just not a jump up and down style track

it's kinda like Luetin & Jumbo, where you bob along to the beat, or chill with your friends

I really wonder if this is gonna be on the new album, or if it's going to be a part of the soundtrack

[Techno_Bunny]

maybe they did a special version of the track with a vocal masking effect added so we fuckers on the net can't burn it and sell it............???


i'll start another thread about that issue :cool:

[patrick]

ohhhhh, comparing it to the brilliance of luetin is bold... i think the actual tune is a little repetitive and not terribly exciting, i dont know...

[samralh]

yeah...where the track seems to go off beat.
happens a couple times, but in the end, its still groovin.
then, i think theres 2 points where it actually DOES go off beat.
crazy.
thats some voodoo trickery boys !

[MN-Jeff]

KILL THE VOCODER FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK.



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Couldn't agree more. It worked on "Cups", but here it just doesn't gell. Agree that Karl's voice and lyrics need to be heard, it's one of the reasons we ALL love Underworld.

Interesting that he said it's "25 minutes" - maybe the new album is only 25 minutes long, sort of a "dj mix"?

[Dirty0900]

Seriously, who gives a fuck about the vocals, vocoder or not? The whole track's as dull as arse. No amount fo vodery non-vocodery stuff's going to compensate for that.

Simon

The remix thing we heard first had some vocoder effect thingy on it and that sounded allright but still a little dodgy. I've been listening to the track and i can't get in to it at all, nowhere near as good as what we're used to from UW.

[goldfish]

The remix thing we heard first had some vocoder effect thingy on it and that sounded allright but still a little dodgy. I've been listening to the track and i can't get in to it at all, nowhere near as good as what we're used to from UW.
I'm wondering why anyone thinks that the band wouldn't release the best stuff first, as well... if you've been away for a while, do you think you'd want to come back with a soft plop or a big bang? Particularly as it seems as though there's scope for a new distribution mechanism with the next release. If this is the most exciting stuff they've got lined up, it's not looking good, is it...

Previous first releases (from memory)

AHDO - TMO - biggest track on album
BF - KoS - biggest track on album
STITI - Pearl's Girl - biggest track on album

They didn't trail AHDO with Luetin, BF with Skym or STITI with Shudder, did they...

Simon

[King of Snake]

Seriously, who gives a fuck about the vocals, vocoder or not? The whole track's as dull as arse. No amount fo vodery non-vocodery stuff's going to compensate for that.

Simon

for once, I'm with Simon on this one. It's just dull and unexiting. There's nothing in this track that makes me go "wow" or "cool" or even "hmmm, that's nice". ;)
Still, judging from some of the other new material bits we've been hearing, and the recent quality improvement of the liveshows, I still hold hopes for whatever it is they'll be releasing.

[big screen satellite]

I'm wondering why anyone thinks that the band wouldn't release the best stuff first, as well... if you've been away for a while, do you think you'd want to come back with a soft plop or a big bang? Particularly as it seems as though there's scope for a new distribution mechanism with the next release. If this is the most exciting stuff they've got lined up, it's not looking good, is it...

Previous first releases (from memory)

AHDO - TMO - biggest track on album
BF - KoS - biggest track on album
STITI - Pearl's Girl - biggest track on album

They didn't trail AHDO with Luetin, BF with Skym or STITI with Shudder, did they...

Simon

i really think Underworld are doing something other than releasing this as a single (or album trailing track)...its a project (as Tong said), rather than the next release, i feel...you don't (usually) release 25 minute tracks to the public...unless its on an ep...(or you are The Orb ;) )

maybe this is what was finished this week, and they decided to send it to Tongy..."new music by Underworld" NOT the "new single from Underworld" - thats the difference here

In the old days, DJ's used to get sent tracks by record companies to test the water, if a track didn't do well they went back and re did it....or revised their plans...maybe UW are doing this...seeing what the reaction is like...

i'm sure they are reading these forums for feedback....

my other thoughts on this:

UW have sent this track out to dj's like Paul Woolford & (maybe) Pete Heller to remix to play around with - the Paul Woolford version which most people proclamied was the original, which i thought was a remix...is proably the better version, and with the exception of the lyrics is totally different to the version Tongy played....

i still think we should all just calm down and wait until what KH says...no-one knows what this track is, and what is propsed for it, Karl has already said that UW are going different places with the next couple of projects, we know that they are 'probably' going to release an Album (and trail it with a single or two), but there is also the film soundtrack, which is probably more pressing at the moment, and K&R work on many things at once...so until we get some definite details we should all hold back on the speculations....i know its fun but lets just wait and see...

[stimpee]

Wasnt BF previewed by Kittens? I remember it being a free download here on dirty.org back in 1998.

Kittens. number1 UW track.

[holden]

Wasnt BF previewed by Kittens? I remember it being a free download here on dirty.org back in 1998.

Kittens. number1 UW track.

That it was. A banging track for sure, but was that really characteristic of BF as a whole? I've the same feeling about "Electronic Part 1"...there's more to it than we've heard so far. Everyone sit tight and get ready for the official release!

[goldfish]

Wasnt BF previewed by Kittens? I remember it being a free download here on dirty.org back in 1998.

Kittens. number1 UW track.

Was that before Tong aired KoS?

Simon

[potatobroth]

Was that before Tong aired KoS?

Simon

yes.

i'd not expect this song to be the banging track/single of the album. especially since its only 5min of a 25min track. so there is no chance this is a single, right?

why can't it just be a clip of a song that UW felt they wanted to put out as a teaser? back in the STITI days, they only wrote 8 songs and choosing Pearls Girl was the obvious choice (being that Juanita and Banstyle were 10min+ each.) with this album, they have written over 100 songs and from what i gather plan to release a great number of them using their new distribution method. so maybe this is a song for an EP, maybe this is THE track of the album, maybe this is a track to be release for free on Underworld live, who knows. but to pan this snippet and treat it as a whole track, an entire single/album-representative track is nonsense. its 1/5 a song.

i happen to like this quite a bit. upon first listen (in the car) i didnt like the vocals one bit. thought they were very dull and unimpressive. then after i had a proper headphone listen (my car speakers suck) i realzed just how well they meshed with both the mood, and the rhythm of the song. there are a few moments in there where the lyrics match SO well that i get giddy. also, love the woodblocky percussion throughout. there is much more to this simple song than first meets the ears.

[big screen satellite]

Was that before Tong aired KoS?

Simon


Kittens was issued as a download on 5th Feb 1999 (on this day only)

uncertain of when PT played KOS though

(Kittens was also on the first issued KOS promo, probably the one Pete Tong played - so he choose to play KOS instead of Kittens - maybe?)

I have an acetate of Kittens, and I know there was one for KOS, so he may have had either of these, but i think they sent out both tracks together for this....(i can't check press releases at the moment but i do have them for both early KOS promos....)

but I agree with Stimpee....Kittens is the biggest track on BF ;)


(one other point of note the very first three track BF promo cassette had Kittens but NOT KOS....)

[goldfish]

but I agree with Stimpee....Kittens is the biggest track on BF ;)

Fair enough. That still proves my point.

Simon

[big screen satellite]

Fair enough. That still proves my point.

Simon

i know....

i agree though...this (new) track isn't big enough to be a pre-release for an album...imo (and yours...)

[goldfish]

why can't it just be a clip of a song that UW felt they wanted to put out as a teaser?

Because Underworld is a business that needs to sell music and related stuff. They ain't going to do that by underwhelming their audience. It's just basic common sense, not rocket science kids.

Simon

[rudydaduck]

when exactly is this informative interview with karl on radio one? anybody? anything? see "NEWS"

[froopy seal]

I don't know whether this was suggested before (got a bit lost in all the posts) but what about the following idea:

This "first part" of the 25 minutes "piece of music" isn't connected with the remaining 20 minutes in a way that it's ONE song/mix. Maybe it's a 25 minute mixture of a couple of new tracks/bits of tracks/projects/etc.?

Just an idea ...

[joethelion]

you know... just listening to this again


Tong doesn't even know what the heck this track is! I have the feeling they just gave it to him, with no info.

There's no way this is the lead single, as it's over 20min... unless they finally listened to the fans who were bitching for EP's again

and about Kittens... that track wasn't characteristic at all of the rest of the album

I bet that UW release an EP, a soundtrack, and (maybe) also an album
I am really having doubts as to whether or not the sndtrk & the album are different things

-> this 'doubt' is pretty much sourced from what happened with Bowie's album 'hours...'. Originally there was a 'new album coming' then a soundtrack, then reports came that the album was going to be a x2cd release (the proper album + soundtrack), then the album itself was the soundtrack with only slightly cosmetic differences between tracks...

sure it turned out there was more music within the game, but they were all snippets / mood music you know?

(the soundtrack was for Omikron: The Nomad Soul)

[testudo]

that vocoder sounds like a transformer.

http://www.geocities.com/prime357/tfsounds.html


:D transform a feeling.

[potatobroth]

rick on Dirty Radio paraphrased: 'yes, we are doing an EP'

so simon, no, i dont think this is a single worthy track. it wont wow non-Underworld fans at first listen the same way KOS, PG and BS would. but in no way did Tong say, "and back with their new single, here's Underworld" he just said that it was a portion of a 25minute track. I imagine we'll hear the single when Karl is in the studio. This is still White Label, consider it what you want. just let's not jump to conclusions and look at this as 'what underworld is selling' because why would they sell 1/5 a product? this isnt rocket science.

[Scott Warner]

Because Underworld is a business that needs to sell music and related stuff.
Keep in mind that Underworld has been a very successful business throughout the last decade and are now in the position to do things more independently than ever before. The traditional notion of how you make and market music within the system may not necessarily apply for all things Underworld moving forward.

[testudo]

Keep in mind that Underworld has been a very successful business throughout the last decade and are now in the position to do things more independently than ever before. The traditional notion of how you make and market music within the system may not necessarily apply for all things Underworld moving forward.

Is that an official statement?

[goldfish]

Keep in mind that Underworld has been a very successful business throughout the last decade and are now in the position to do things more independently than ever before. The traditional notion of how you make and market music within the system may not necessarily apply for all things Underworld moving forward.
The traditional notion produced good, non-self-indulgent music...

[EDIT]Apart from most of AHDO. ;)

Simon

[Dirty0900]

All they need to do is to make sure anything new doesnt leak on the net about two months earyl like AHDO did. Should just stick it on iTunes for all to download, or failing that, stick it on tape release only to piss people off.

[Scott Warner]

The traditional notion produced good, non-self-indulgent music...
Beyond the subjectivity and occasional accuracy of this statement, there comes a time with many artists who play nice with market driven systems where the infringement to professional happiness outweighs the benefits derived from said compromise.

No, my comments should not be seen as representing any official Underworld statement. Rather, they're just truisms for creatives within popular entertainment.

[Forgotten Sanity]

The traditional notion produced good, non-self-indulgent music...

[EDIT]Apart from most of AHDO. ;)

Simon

What's wrong with making self-indulgent music? I'm sure that AHDO was quite self-indulgent, as was STITI, BF and DUBNO...

[crank]

Keep in mind that Underworld has been a very successful business throughout the last decade and are now in the position to do things more independently than ever before. The traditional notion of how you make and market music within the system may not necessarily apply for all things Underworld moving forward.

Nah,
I Think this means they'll be releasing an internet based record with self contained artwork. Something like embeded qt files and what not. They've got their pulses on the way Music is working today.

think about it. there's been NO news, no promotion, and yet there's supposed to be a FALL release? Fall is this weekend officially. Makes the most sense to me. They are being like Apple and announcing products when they have product rather than teasing us with "announcements"

crank!

[crank]

Kittens was issued as a download on 5th Feb 1999 (on this day only)


PS
you know i don't even know if i got this. Does it sound different?
crank!

[Malt Refund]

I dont remember it sounding any different.

[MN-Jeff]

Nah,
I Think this means they'll be releasing an internet based record with self contained artwork. Something like embeded qt files and what not. They've got their pulses on the way Music is working today.


I think you're right. It might even be a bit like the new Nine Inch Nails record, where you can download some of the songs into GarageBand, and mess around with each song. NIN even has a website up for people to post their mixes. I could see Underworld doing something like that.

[big screen satellite]

PS
you know i don't even know if i got this. Does it sound different?
crank!


no exactly the same...afaik...

[big screen satellite]

All they need to do is to make sure anything new doesnt leak on the net about two months earyl like AHDO did. Should just stick it on iTunes for all to download, or failing that, stick it on tape release only to piss people off.

nah...put it out on 10" only 78 rpm vinyl...maker people buy old record players...

[twicezero]

nah...put it out on 10" only 78 rpm vinyl...maker people buy old record players...

Ah, are you a Duke Special fan also?

(he released a 78 rpm single last week)

[big screen satellite]

Ah, are you a Duke Special fan also?

(he released a 78 rpm single last week)


haha...quality

personally i'd like UW to release the next album on eight track...

[stimpee]

I remember Autechre putting their promos out on cassette, and the White Stripes distributing vinyl only promos. Not a bad idea.

[potatobroth]

a bit of an overdone point, but UW dj'd a set of their then-new-BF-music on XFM before they released Kittens/KoS?

i remember a track where they played some of Rick's ambient pieces, Cups, Winjer, and a bit of Moaner.

so they do in fact have a history of playing whatever the hell they like before a release. but the official single always seems to be the slamming track of the album.

[Dirty0900]

Ah, are you a Duke Special fan also?

(he released a 78 rpm single last week)

I am! The guy is ace, saw him support Aqualung last year. You know where i can get the 78rpm record?

[Tiger]

was properly stoned on friday night when i got in my mates car to head out, and i'd completely forgotten about UW on R1 until tong introduced the track. personally i loved the intro and got really excited as i felt the music a return to the STITI form, but when the vocoder came in it didn't do anything for me and i just wanted to hear what karl was saying. however after my initial rant in the car i settled back to listen and the longer it went on the more the vocoder like people have already said here slunk into the background as more an instrument and started to work with the rest of the track. would like to here the full track before commenting more, but i certainly wouldn't mind if there was a non-vocoder mix.

[joethelion]

and that version of Cups...

ultra heavy on the vocoder


a bit of an overdone point, but UW dj'd a set of their then-new-BF-music on XFM before they released Kittens/KoS?

i remember a track where they played some of Rick's ambient pieces, Cups, Winjer, and a bit of Moaner.

so they do in fact have a history of playing whatever the hell they like before a release. but the official single always seems to be the slamming track of the album.

[lloyd]

Whatever form they release it in, I'm set. Got 2 good (got a number more that aren't playing) old recordplayers that do 78rpm, a car and a home 8-track player, old trusty teac casseterecorder, a few tapedecks...
Uhooh... don't have a MDplayer :s *panic*

[Icke]

haha...quality

personally i'd like UW to release the next album on eight track...
I'd like it if they just distributed it as a .als (Ableton Live) or .acd (Acid Pro) :D .

[verbal]

Sorry if I missed it, but there are soooo many pages to read through..

Is this track available anywhere yet?

[the real stuff]

I love this track, but then, I love all things Underworld.

I think the context and anticipation surrounding this track really do harm to it. We're all starving for new Underworld. When this pops up, it doesn't really satisfy what we really want -- a bangin' new Underworld single. Instead we get a complicated, bold departure of sorts. If this track were on an album/EP next to "more traditional" Underworld pieces, I bet you guys would like it a bit more ;)

Can't wait for this "new project" to surface!

[big screen satellite]

you know the more i play it, the better this track gets...

i reallly love the beats...

less so the filtered / voc-coder whatever it is...

but its a grower for sure...

i still prefer the 'original' version played by Woolly in his mix, but this slower tempo version has some great sounds in it...

love to hear the full 25 minutes...

*wonders* what format tongy has it on??

25 minutes on one sided promo?

25 minutes on a CDR - white label?

mmm...

*wonders* if i can get a copy....

[undarrenworld]

Whatever form they release it in, I'm set. Got 2 good (got a number more that aren't playing) old recordplayers that do 78rpm, a car and a home 8-track player, old trusty teac casseterecorder, a few tapedecks...
Uhooh... don't have a MDplayer :s *panic*


78 RPM yes true:D

[the real stuff]

Sorry if I missed it, but there are soooo many pages to read through..

Is this track available anywhere yet?

re-hosted

edit: gah, ran out of bandwidth :(

Here's the original (http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34SKF5Y1009XH0TB7HTC0RHORA) posted by stimpee

[stimpee]

Sorry if I missed it, but there are soooo many pages to read through..

Is this track available anywhere yet?
that is so lazy. i think i'll just remove the link ;)

well, i could do.

what do you want in future? a personal delivery on CD?

[rtzig]

*wonders* what format tongy has it on??

25 minutes on one sided promo?

25 minutes on a CDR - white label?

mmm...

*wonders* if i can get a copy....

I'd bet it's a CDR unless he didn't get the full track. 25 minutes on one side of a record definitely makes the quality go down. I would be hesitant to release something on promo (or anything that was DJ friendly) at anything other than 45rpm due to the loss in highs that you get from 33 1/3rpm.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Unsure why, but I keep having flashbacks to when I first heard "Planet Rock"?

God, please don't allow me to find parachute pants . . .

[twicezero]

I am! The guy is ace, saw him support Aqualung last year. You know where i can get the 78rpm record?

take a look here: http://www.dukespecial.com/

[goldfish]

Unsure why, but I keep having flashbacks to when I first heard "Planet Rock"?

Probably the last time it would've sounded new and exciting.... ;)

Simon

[*_*]

jeez. 15 pages.

can't wait to see the debates that ensue once something actually is releasesd!


:D

[verbal]

that is so lazy. i think i'll just remove the link ;)

well, i could do.

what do you want in future? a personal delivery on CD?

Please! I'll PM you my address. ;)

[stimpee]

Please! I'll PM you my address. ;)
cheeky too. stick around, you're sure to get in an argument and i can watch the sparks fly :)

[noisegeek]

jeez. 15 pages.

can't wait to see the debates that ensue once something actually is releasesd!


:D

My sentiments exactly.

[mmm skyscraper]

jeez. 15 pages.

can't wait to see the debates that ensue once something actually is releasesd!


:D

You can set it so it you get 40 posts per page. Then it's only 4 pages.

[Dirty0900]

Ok ive listened to it a lot and i can say that out of all the tit bits of stuff from the dirty radio sessions, live 2005 bootlegs this is my least fav track.

i do hope that r and k were testing the peoples reaction when they let tongy wongy play it the other week.