Paul Van Dyk is a musical genius. How amazing will he make Diamond Jigsaw?

[BrotherLovesDub]

Yes or no answers please.

[BrotherLovesDub]

No. I don't think it's going to end up sounding like a PVD track. Cheesy synth melodies may be his preferred working material and this could end up sounding very good.

[Dirty0900]

I don't know as I haven't heard it. He's remixed stuff in the past hasn't he? I think it'll be fine. Not going to judge till I hear it.

Seeing I hate downpipe, I'm not going to pass judgement on the other Mark Knight stuff that's a'coming.

[Jason Roth]

No?

[Caprice]

No.

[purlieu]

Quite possibly.

[ThingInABook]

no. because it's still underworld before PVD. perhaps it'll turn into a trance-fest.

i hope it doesn't turn into a cheesetrancefest. PVD was pretty decent before becoming popular.

[bazwint]

No. Probably right up his street.

I reckon Dubfire is the dogs' if you like prog, by the way. Really looking forward to that.

[King of Snake]

No. I don't think it's going to end up sounding like a PVD track. Cheesy synth melodies may be his preferred working material and this could end up sounding very good.

well what I think Diamond Jigsaw is probably the most fitting track for him to be working on because it's kinda happy/cheesy/trancy in the first place.
I trust Underworld's judgement in picking the people they work with but we'll have to wait and see.

[Dunwho]

YES. By the sounds of Scribble they have given their collabs a lot of control over the sounds and I wouldnt be suprised if this whole album is going to sound like a compilation rather than a cohesive sound.

And they are NOT remixes... i would say all the artists have a lot of creative control and as a result it will sound at least a little bit like PvD... so if you dont like PvD I wouldnt be very optomistic.


I wonder when Underworld are going to release their first album since Oblivion with Bells.. cus it isnt happening this year by the sounds of it!

[bryantm3]

YES. By the sounds of Scribble they have given their collabs a lot of control over the sounds and I wouldnt be suprised if this whole album is going to sound like a compilation rather than a cohesive sound.

And they are NOT remixes... i would say all the artists have a lot of creative control and as a result it will sound at least a little bit like PvD... so if you dont like PvD I wouldnt be very optomistic.


I wonder when Underworld are going to release their first album since Oblivion with Bells.. cus it isnt happening this year by the sounds of it!

the new album has been announced. it comes out in september.

[potatobroth]

There isnt a PvD track that I like. This made me sad.

[Mike]

the new album has been announced. it comes out in september.

dry wit :rolleyes:

[bas_I_am]

Not to defend pvd...

Given the current state of dance music being so uninspired, I'm wondering if this uw's way of agitating the community???

[cacophony]

no. because he can't make shit shittier. the worst he can do is polish that turd to a glossy shine.

[Dunwho]

no. because he can't make shit shittier. the worst he can do is polish that turd to a glossy shine.

Well said

[Dunwho]

the new album has been announced. it comes out in september.

:p

[dubman]

well what I think Diamond Jigsaw is probably the most fitting track for him to be working on because it's kinda happy/cheesy/trancy in the first place.

this
saw the name, got worried, saw the track, no longer worried.

not looking forward to 'moon on water' so much as all the raging to be had on here that high contrast will be meddling with it

[holden]

no. because he can't make shit shittier. the worst he can do is polish that turd to a glossy shine.


kind of agree - not at all enjoying the live version of "Diamond Jigsaw" - so if PvD turns this into Trance Anthem Big Hitz 2010, it might be an improvement. Funny, though - the other collaborators are fairly recent/up-and-coming...PvD, not so much.

[chems1919]

I wish UW weren't collaborating with anyone for this album. I think the reason why I like YDS over Scribble is mainly because of High Contrast's input with Scribble. Paul Van Dyk's appearance just sounds like a bad idea and I wasn't a fan of Downpipe, so I'm not really looking forward to the contribution by Mark Knight. But I will remain optimistic! At least it's PVD and not Armin Van Crapbag or someone of that nature. I think PVD actually has some talent (buried somewhere in him) even though I don't listen to his material myself. On a side note, I can't believe Strumpet isn't making an appearance (or at least to my knowledge it isn't). I could have sworn that was a keeper...

[the-star-samurai]

I have faith in Underworld. Therefore no, I don't think PvD will ruin this song.

I think it's interesting. I have no idea how this is going to sound - so I'm nervous, but excited at the same time. I've enjoyed PvD's past releases (before In Between) - so yeah, I think Underworld could bring out the best in him.

[BrotherLovesDub]

On a side note, I can't believe Strumpet isn't making an appearance (or at least to my knowledge it isn't). I could have sworn that was a keeper...

Strumpet will most likely be the lead track, Bird 1.

'There is 1 bird in my house'

[chems1919]

Well that's good news; thanks for the heads-up. I kinda wish they would have stuck with the title "Strumpet" though, but I guess it's the song that counts ;)

[bryantm3]

dry wit :rolleyes:

oh, you were talking about it being a compilation rather than an album. that's what i get for skimming instead of reading.

[stimpee]

From the live version we've heard, Diamond Jigsaw sounds very 80's mainstream anyway. Letting PvD add his trademark gorgonzola might improve it because as it stands I doesnt sound finished (which is probably very accurate; we've only heard it a few times last year). So to answer, its hard to ruin something thats unfinished (how do you know its ruined?). Cant give a yes or no.

[Jafs]

Wait & see.

[big screen satellite]

I like PVD

[big screen satellite]

I also like Diamond Jigsaw

[Yannick]

I like Matt :)

[//\/\/]

so, 'bono-cock' gets deleted amidst furore, 'bloke-working-with-uw=piece of shit' is fine?

it's one rule for bono...

(and is nobody at work this morning?!)

[chuck]

bono-cock?

who is bono-cock?

go back to your fox-hunting Nutters. ;)

and I'm off to bed - you lot can pretend to work!

[chems1919]

We're Aliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive

mmm-tiss, mmm-tiss, mmm-tiss, mmm-tiss

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

as long as the synth noise stays the same, it'll be fine

[the mongoose]

Piece of shit Dyk sounds much more offensive than it actually is.:D

It is foretold in tales passed on through generations that he will, indeed, fuck it up.;)

[ThingInABook]

helloooooo, it's an underworld song, not a PVD/underworld song or PVD placed his hands over the tape and made a knotball with it. rick has low tolerance for cheesyness, you know? stop the drama and let's wait until september. after that, and if PVD made something annoying, just skip the track :)

[the-star-samurai]

Totally agree with you, ThingInABook.

This is Underworld we're talking about. They will not disappoint.

[froopy seal]

At least it's PVD and not Armin Van Crapbag or someone of that nature.You must have been delighted at the announcement of the O2 We Are One festival (http://www.weareonefestival.com/2/): UW + PVD + AVB.

Will I get a refund if (because) everybody except Underworld will be extra sticky-krusty-cheesy?

[chems1919]

Yeaaaah, I'd watch UW and then get the hell out of that place for sure :)

[testudo]

I am expecting this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EogXMF5Labk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EogXMF5Labk)

I am sad.

[Rog]

well i'm gonna listen to the album before i pass comment and then it will be informed comment instead of most of the dross posted in this thread;)

[BrotherLovesDub]

I label what's gone on in this thread more as an educated or informed guess. Aka, based on a degree of experience, knowledge or information. We have all heard Paul Van Dyk before and it appears nobody has enjoyed what they've heard. If you know you don't like pickles, yet you love ice cream, you can be pretty sure you're not going to like pickles on your ice cream. Then again, maybe there's something unique about the combination that will surprise you.

[purlieu]

No more dross in here than people going "this will be great!" in the main album thread. It's all uninformed, but we've gotta talk about something! :P

[revolver9]

Why is this so negative? I hate to see this on an UW forum calling PVD a piece of shit.

UW chose to collaborate with him so respect their taste and decision.

Personally I like a few of PvD's older tracks and love the entire record Out There And Back. I take it for what it is which to me is finely crafted POPULAR TRANCE music. I have some great social memories to it.

Judging from UW's posted links to YouTube songs, they don't discriminate too much but are open to music everything from technical proficiency to goofy fun that fits in a random social context.

I am excited for the UW PVD collaboration! Although I wouldn't trust PVD for quality, I trust UW and their ability to bring out the best in others.

[Bargo]

Personally I like a few of PvD's older tracks and love the entire record Out There And Back.

Me too! Though I haven't listened to it for about 7-8 years, I have really fond memories of OTaB. Just digging it out of my mp3 collection now, there's a bit of cheese factor to it nowadays but tracks like Vega and Travelling are still tops in my book. Judging by this thread, admitting that has probably ruined any chance of me ever sounding credible again. :p

As for the UW/PvD collaboration, well, I'm just going to have to reserve judgement until I actually hear something.

[//\/\/]

I hate to see this on an UW forum calling PVD a piece of shit.

ditto. never a mod round when required, it seems. wouldn't happen with a bono joke in static...:confused:

[TheBang]

ditto. never a mod round when required, it seems. wouldn't happen with a bono joke in static...:confused:
I didn't realize opinion police was in the job description. :rolleyes:

[khouri]

I'm not at all familiar with Paul Van Dyke beyond the fact that loads of awful ravers seem to love him. But if he's all about the cheese then I think he'd probably be good for Diamond Jigsaw. Then again, I thought Diamond Jigsaw was great the way it is when I heard it in Las Vegas. Vintage, earnest synthpop -- frankly, the kind I don't think Underworld ever created properly when they were a synthpop band. I hope PVD doesn't rave it up too much.

[ThingInABook]

you can be pretty sure you're not going to like pickles on your ice cream.

sometimes, inusual icecream is delicious. chocolate with pepper is amazing ;) (goes with the analogy... i guess...)

[testudo]

Re-contextualizing will not change anything. If UW want us to be early adopters they should release the 5 song sampler, et al now. If not... good luck. Their ego will let us know, as well as the world (how superficial they are, i.e., we need acknowledge from the younger fan base). FU to all those trying to kiss the proverbial UW ass.

[TheBang]

Here you go, Dirts. The NEW Diamond Jigsaw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKUWXrmdDF4

[//\/\/]

I didn't realize opinion police was in the job description. :rolleyes:

it probably isn't :rolleyes: but 'moderator' certainly implies an amount of 'moderation', and the title (before hilarious change) of the thread was artless, witless and offensive - certainly an anomaly (and definitely condisering the bono/cock hoo-haa). otherwise, what's a moderator doing, apart from having more access rights? :rolleyes:

[TheBang]

otherwise, what's a moderator doing, apart from having more access rights? :rolleyes:
Well, there's always the special moderator forum where we posted the new album.


;)

[King of Snake]

Here you go, Dirts. The NEW Diamond Jigsaw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKUWXrmdDF4

sounds similar enough to the old version.

[//\/\/]

Well, there's always the special moderator forum where we posted the new album.


;)


i bloody knew it :eek: i'd long suspected it, but now...:mad:







;)

[holden]

sounds similar enough to the old version.

all i can make out is the general melody of Karl's singing. Audio's so overdriven, i'm not sure one can tell what's new or different in the song.
Cool video, though.

[chems1919]

Nice find with the video! It's hard to form an opinion with the quality of the sound, but I can safely say that it still sounds good. Recruiting PVD to play around with the track might actually work out for the better.

[joethelion]

Nice find with the video! It's hard to form an opinion with the quality of the sound, but I can safely say that it still sounds good. Recruiting PVD to play around with the track might actually work out for the better.

yea - and it seems like there might be more synths through the beats... which is nice, b/c the recording I've got of the original seems kind of ...sparse. Also those dated synth stabs seem to be less prominent, which is a HUGE plus

[testudo]

I am now just setting my expectations extremely low for Diamond Jiggy.

That way I hope I will be very pleasantly surprised! ;)

[bryantm3]

Here you go, Dirts. The NEW Diamond Jigsaw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKUWXrmdDF4

oh cool. i figured this was a link to rick astley.

[bryantm3]

Well, there's always the special moderator forum where we posted the new album.


;)

i just noticed that there are a bunch of empty spaces for forums (ie: the last forum is #26, but there aren't that many forums). Can there be an invisible forum that you can access if you know the address? for some reason that seems like it would be neat. we can call it subdirty or something.

[//\/\/]

i just noticed that there are a bunch of empty spaces for forums (ie: the last forum is #26, but there aren't that many forums). Can there be an invisible forum that you can access if you know the address? for some reason that seems like it would be neat. we can call it subdirty or something.

or, 'japan-only-extra', knowing how uw tend to go...

[Dirty0900]

I do like PVD's For An Angel. I'm waiting to score the promo, for my works "review purposes" of course. No luck as of yet.

[TheBang]

You can clearly see Rick singing backups in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guet01cATUs

[ThingInABook]

like the name change of the topic. made me giggle :)

i also like what u/w and PVD did to diamond jigsaw...

[big screen satellite]

listening to the newer BT stuff i'd like UW to have worked with him also... there are so many good producers out there PVD included, i suspect their choice was extensive....

you can't please everyone...

but PVD has a bazillion fans so his touch should be rewarding for UW....

[unwound floors]

Alright folks, simmer down: doesn't sound like PVD has done too much to Diamond Jigsaw!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IgOyLHU97Y

[patrick]

Maybe PVD already was involved by the time we first heard diamond-jigsaw? it already has that epic synth stab...

[ThingInABook]

Alright folks, simmer down: doesn't sound like PVD has done too much to Diamond Jigsaw!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IgOyLHU97Y

that recording is ace!

and, that version goes to my player, replacing the las vegas bootleg :)

thanks!

[the mongoose]

Yeah, but "does it help"?:confused:




;)

[Dirty Canuck]

The finished version is a lot more grittier than the other live versions I've heard, and to me much better. Here's hoping Karl rocking it out on the guitar is in the studio version as well. :)

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

d'oh :( van halen synth is gone now

[King of Snake]

Maybe PVD already was involved by the time we first heard diamond-jigsaw? it already has that epic synth stab...

good point, it doesn't sound like it's much changed from the last time we heard it so this migth well be the case.

[unwound floors]

that recording is ace!

and, that version goes to my player, replacing the las vegas bootleg :)

thanks!

No worries! If you want the audio ripped straight from the original vid (I assume it may have degraded in quality while being resized, then upped to YT) let me know, and I'll get it done :)

[scary man]

d'oh :( van halen synth is gone now

Yeah, that was my favourite bit too.

Although I think it was more like Prince's I Wanna Be Your Lover.

[Banstylin']

d'oh :( van halen synth is gone now

Hahahaha, Van Halen synth... so true. I wouldn't say the synth was my favorite part of the track but it's what made it memorable. I also hope there's more guitars on it for the album version.

[starfox203]

Maybe PVD already was involved by the time we first heard diamond-jigsaw? it already has that epic synth stab...

Maybe many of the versions we know were post-collaborations. We have no idea when the collaborations took place in the process.

[bas_I_am]

Maybe many of the versions we know were post-collaborations. We have no idea when the collaborations took place in the process.

The ultimate bonus version of barking would contain a "making of..." dvd. Don't you agree?

[the-star-samurai]

The ultimate bonus version of barking would contain a "making of..." dvd. Don't you agree?

That would be excellent.

[TheBang]

Paul Van Dyk is a musical genius. How amazing will he make Diamond Jigsaw?
Pretty fucking amazing. Seriously vying for my favorite track on the album.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Doesn't nearly have the sound I was fearing. Overall I think I appreciate his delicate touch more than what Ramirez/Knight did. My biggest complaint on the whole album is the quality of the kicks and simplicity of the rhythms on Diamond Jigsaw, Between Stars and ALAF. It proves how good Rick Smith is at the little details and how downright boring PVD and Knight/Ramirez are with tech-house kick drum programming.

[stimpee]

only listened to it once, but I dont like it. Its just too generic and bland. Theres not enough variation. Which is a trademark underworld sound. Its disappointing to hear Underworld dumbed down like this.

[Dirty Canuck]

100% agree, Stimpee. I actually never liked this track in any shape or form and PVD hasn't helped it at all. The lyrics are boring, and the sound is out of the 80s.
From what I've read, seeing it live is something to see, though.

[Dirty0900]

I really like it. Especially the breakdown towards the end.

PVD will have nothing to do with the lyrics.

[big screen satellite]

Doesn't nearly have the sound I was fearing. Overall I think I appreciate his delicate touch more than what Ramirez/Knight did. My biggest complaint on the whole album is the quality of the kicks and simplicity of the rhythms on Diamond Jigsaw, Between Stars and ALAF. It proves how good Rick Smith is at the little details and how downright boring PVD and Knight/Ramirez are with tech-house kick drum programming.


sadly thats their job and thats what works for them, UW needed these elements to make this album what it is though... it needed undersimplyfying if thats a word...

UW, Rick, in particular, can make their sound too complex and difficult for 'normal' persons ears and as such the touches by the external producers have generified this album for the better.

I know most ppl don't want UW to be a generic band, but thats what they guys wanted with this album - to make it accessible - and thats what it is... the strangest thing i have noticed is that ppl who are undecided about the tracks on Barking like different tracks, some like the poppy numbers some like the downbeat tracks, but most like some elements...

If Diamond Jigsaw was released without knowledge of PvD's production - no one would have noticed, because its the same song UW wrote, and it maintains most UW elemets, including a Guitar which KH has been playing for over 30 years... don't forget KH was a session guitarist for many people back in the old days before most of you were born...

keep the faith guys...

[big screen satellite]

listen to the guitar solo at 4:20 onwards - tell me that isn't a riff straight out the New Order school of rock...

which, imo, makes this track even more awesome....

Underworld, I love you more than the way you used to love me....

[King of Snake]

Doesn't nearly have the sound I was fearing. Overall I think I appreciate his delicate touch more than what Ramirez/Knight did. My biggest complaint on the whole album is the quality of the kicks and simplicity of the rhythms on Diamond Jigsaw, Between Stars and ALAF. It proves how good Rick Smith is at the little details and how downright boring PVD and Knight/Ramirez are with tech-house kick drum programming.

If anything Diamond Jigsaw's drums sounds more like a rock band than tech-house. Who knows if it was Rick or PVD who programmed those. UW have done plenty of tracks with very simple rhythms. We've definitely heard UW do a bit more rock-style sounds in recent times (Boy Boy Boy, that Manic Street Preachers remix...).
Can't really say I agree with you about Knight & Ramirez doing boring programming either. There's a lot of details in the rhythms of ALAF and Between Stars (have you listened on a good pair of headphones?), and who knows which bits were programmed by who? Personally I was kinda getting tired of all the shakers and bongo's on the previous two UW albums and appreciate a little bit of a different, more varied sound. The rhythm sounds (fucking synth plop) on Bird 1 are pretty bad though ;)

[bazwint]

listen to the guitar solo at 4:20 onwards - tell me that isn't a riff straight out the New Order school of rock...

which, imo, makes this track even more awesome....

Live it reminded me more of Robert Smith but either is good news for me :)

[King of Snake]

btw I liked Diamond Jigsaw from the start and I still do. The New Order-ish guitar is a nice bonus in this version I think. It's simple but fun, kinda like TMO :)

[starfox203]

UW channels New Order. It's awesome!

[Professor]

everything is awesome. in every way.

[stimpee]

Im glad you guys like it. For me it sounds dated, sounds Underworld mk1, and comparing it to old New Order stuff isnt a compliment. Just makes it even more dated. It just sounds like Underworld-by-numbers. Feels bad to say it but its just bland.

[dubman]

The guitar is a dumb idea no matter where it came from, but if underworld wanted to make pop songs, I think this one went well for them. Crap as an "underworld tune", but really I'll take it if it's enjoyable

[khouri]

The demo version of Diamond Jigsaw on the Barking bonus disc is, as Karl said, NOTHING like Underworld. No synths, just guitar, rock drum sounds and Karl's singing. It's a fun, upbeat little ditty but definitely not Underworld.

I like PVD's remix a lot but I'm afraid the awesome synthpop version from the Las Vegas show will remain the best version of this divisive Underworld track.

[potatobroth]

i was quite surprised that the 80s synth version wasn't the one chosen for CD2.

[tokyorai]

I think Diamond Jigsaw might be the worst track on the album. I've listend to a lot of Paul Van Dyk's work and think this can't be one of his best examples. Even on the BBC radio show with Karl Hyde, the host mentioned something about how Diamong Jigsaw is not like most work Van Dyk makes... I guess the host didn't care for the track either because he didn't play it at all during the show.

just my two pence...

[eturnol]

Doesn't nearly have the sound I was fearing. Overall I think I appreciate his delicate touch more than what Ramirez/Knight did. My biggest complaint on the whole album is the quality of the kicks and simplicity of the rhythms on Diamond Jigsaw, Between Stars and ALAF. It proves how good Rick Smith is at the little details and how downright boring PVD and Knight/Ramirez are with tech-house kick drum programming.


EXACTLY. Underworlds production is intricate, detailed, evolving, and all around more mature than EVERYONE they worked with on this album. These collaborators should be learning from Underworld, not producing them. If you compare any of the new tracks with the older tracks, the new just fall back to repeating hooks, boring drum work, and the old epic trance peaks and valleys. This album in uninspired and mainstream. What were they thinking???

[Sappys Curry]

EXACTLY. Underworlds production is intricate, detailed, evolving, and all around more mature than EVERYONE they worked with on this album. These collaborators should be learning from Underworld, not producing them. If you compare any of the new tracks with the older tracks, the new just fall back to repeating hooks, boring drum work, and the old epic trance peaks and valleys. This album in uninspired and mainstream. What were they thinking???

Yeah, I'm fine with Barking, not too impressed with it, but it is a decent album. I just hope that the next Underworld album is just Rick, Karl, and maybe Darren Price (what I'm saying is hopefully it won't be full of collaborations like Barking).

However, it would be cool if for an album they decided to collaborate with artists like Massive Attack, Orbital, The Chemical Brothers, Boards of Canada, and Aphex Twin.

[eturnol]

However, it would be cool if for an album they decided to collaborate with artists like Massive Attack, Orbital, The Chemical Brothers, Boards of Canada, and Aphex Twin.

Ooooo some of those collaborations sound interesting. I would like to hear an IDM take on Underworld, maybe with Flying Lotus as well.

But I think it would be cool if Underworld did something like that as an extra disc added on to a release that contained only their own material. With Barking, they did the opposite.

[jose m]

Ooooo some of those collaborations sound interesting. I would like to hear an IDM take on Underworld, maybe with Flying Lotus as well.

But I think it would be cool if Underworld did something like that as an extra disc added on to a release that contained only their own material. With Barking, they did the opposite.



the chemical brothers,aphex twin,massive attack.........back to the 90's.
fresh :(

[big screen satellite]

so, having made music which is basically electronica for the past 15 years, Karl Hyde and Rick Smith who made two albums as a guitar based band in the 1980's are not allowed to use guitars again...

come on guys get over it...

you don't have to like the track, but there is NO method to Underworld - no set in stone 'Underworld' formula,

Karl and Rick are having fun on this track, at least they are playing instruments and singing proper tunes, rather than putting out bland soundscapes for the few hardcore fans who are into computer games soundtracks...

music for listening doesn't have to be complicated or intricate, it can be simple and melodic - its not a crime - those of you with a better understanding of music should make your own stuff and listen to that, plenty of people are enjoying the simplistic popularist approach that this album and its collaborations have created...

i'm not sticking up for Underworld for the fact they are my fav band, but for the fact that this album (Barking), is simply one of their best, and i'll happily say that their previous effort (OWB) one of their worst, not bad though, just not as good as previous outings...

trying to say how this album should have sounded or who should have been involved is futile... you don't have to like it but this is what UW chose to make and its a triumph (well in my opinion!)

[scary man]

Ooooo some of those collaborations sound interesting. I would like to hear an IDM take on Underworld, maybe with Flying Lotus as well.

But I think it would be cool if Underworld did something like that as an extra disc added on to a release that contained only their own material. With Barking, they did the opposite.

IDM is the most vile thing to call any type of music. Ugh.

[Sappys Curry]

What does IDM stand for?

[vflow]

"Intelligent Dance Music" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Dance_Music)

Ugh² (-> to the tag, not the style of music)

[unwound floors]

It's the world's most ridiculous genre name, but the actual music associated with it is amazing.

[scary man]

It's the world's most ridiculous genre name, but the actual music associated with it is amazing.

It's a label, not a genre. (A label invented by heinous cunts, incidentally)

I can't imagine any musician who made any type of music would ever want their music referred to as *shudders* IDM.

(Or, if they did, I suspect their music might be fucking appalling)

[big screen satellite]

missing the van halen beats in Diamond Jigsaw - try this booty (http://acidted.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/justin-robertson-lhb/)from 2002

featuring justin warfield on vocals...