fuck israel

[bas_I_am]

the equivalent of commandeering a red cross ship

http://pheedo.msnbc.msn.com/click.phdo?i=b9dfb0acfc507522d59d813b3465689c

[Strangelet]

world forum R.I.P.

[Rog]

oh, so you were there then and saw what happened?

i do believe that both sides claim the other started the trouble and its not clear what happened yet........

[stimpee]

Hey! Israel dosent take shit from ANYONE and that includes peaceful unarmed aid ships!

Israel: Making the USA look good since 1947.

[bas_I_am]

Hey! Israel dosent take shit from ANYONE and that includes peaceful unarmed aid ships!

Israel: Making the USA look good since 1947.

True that!

[King of Snake]

the people trying to beat the commandos into a pulp with sticks as soon as they boarded didn't look exactly peaceful to me.
Probably not a good idea to try and beat armed-to-the-teeth commandos with sticks in the first place.

[Strangelet]

i'm thinking this flotilla event was meticulously constructed by propaganda wizards as israel bait, with the hope that Israel does exactly what it did

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i'm thinking this flotilla event was meticulously constructed by propaganda wizards as israel bait, with the hope that Israel does exactly what it did

as ever, it only serves to entrench positions - probably a win for the israeli right and hamas, neither of which seem interested in actually resolving anything. fuck them both.

(the flotilla could have unloaded in egypt, but refused. why?)

[bas_I_am]

the flotilla could have unloaded in egypt, but refused. why?

Why should it?

These fucks raidied a Red Crescent ship in international waters.

The people on board had every right to use what ever means to defend themselves.

Fuck Israel. A rougue nation. . . born of terrorism, built of terrorism.

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erm, because it could have unloaded safely and the aid could have got through - isn't that the point? or was the point just to provoke a reaction? they knew there was a blockade, and they knew israel would enforce it. so in my mind, getting aid through was pretty fucking low on the List Of Things We Hope To Acheive In This.

shit for the inhabitants of gaza, who go on being pawns in this shitty game. as i say - it's a win for hamas and it's a win for the israeli right; both of whom are claiming justification and the high moral ground.

but mr and mrs wanting-aid-in-gaza? fucked over once again. front and back.


and as for the ship being a 'red crescent ship' - you need to run a fact check as they had nothing to do with this: Free Gaza and the IHH were the organisers.

[Rog]

erm, because it could have unloaded safely and the aid could have got through - isn't that the point? or was the point just to provoke a reaction? they knew there was a blockade, and they knew israel would enforce it. so in my mind, getting aid through was pretty fucking low on the List Of Things We Hope To Acheive In This.

shit for the inhabitants of gaza, who go on being pawns in this shitty game. as i say - it's a win for hamas and it's a win for the israeli right; both of whom are claiming justification and the high moral ground.

but mr and mrs wanting-aid-in-gaza? fucked over once again. front and back.


and as for the ship being a 'red crescent ship' - you need to run a fact check as they had nothing to do with this: Free Gaza and the IHH were the organisers.

totally agree

[Rog]

[quote=bas_I_am;122539]Why should it?

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because 9 people wouldn't have died?:rolleyes:

you put a stick in the hornets nest - you get stung, i agree with stranglet's take on this...........

[cured]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e201348293f5e9970c-800wi

I don't know, I think I'd be pretty pissed if Israel was being this anal about what the Palestinians could have.

It appears to me the flotilla defiantly bypassed the blockade but they were still in international waters when they were boarded. They have the right to defend themselves. I wouldn't have taken arms, myself, but sending a bunch of dudes down a line and onto a ship isn't exactly a peace offering, either. The fault ultimately falls on Israel for sending armed men onto a boat, where a fight broke out, where Israel needed to use live fire to defend themselves. The flotilla crew were defiant but it was Israel that picked the fight.

Obama is kind of stuck here. Side with the Turks, who are the US' plan B when it comes to having a partner in Arab relations? Or side with Israel, again, and basically flush all that Arab goodwill-building down the toilet? Not surprisingly, the US is stuck in the middle for the time being.

[Sean]

erm, because it could have unloaded safely and the aid could have got through - isn't that the point? or was the point just to provoke a reaction? they knew there was a blockade, and they knew israel would enforce it. so in my mind, getting aid through was pretty fucking low on the List Of Things We Hope To Acheive In This.

shit for the inhabitants of gaza, who go on being pawns in this shitty game. as i say - it's a win for hamas and it's a win for the israeli right; both of whom are claiming justification and the high moral ground.

but mr and mrs wanting-aid-in-gaza? fucked over once again. front and back.


and as for the ship being a 'red crescent ship' - you need to run a fact check as they had nothing to do with this: Free Gaza and the IHH were the organisers.
Well said.