Everybody Was Euro-Dancing

[froopy seal]

Shame on me, I made a Eurodance mix:
http://www.kraasbackje.com/2010/01/17/everybody-was-euro-dancing/

[holden]

There are some absolute gems in that tracklist!
I'm very tempted to download because rhythm, in fact, is a dancer and i like to move it move it :)

[King of Snake]

haha nice tracklist

[froopy seal]

There are some absolute gems in that tracklist!
I'm very tempted to download because rhythm, in fact, is a dancer and i like to move it move it :)Oi, now there's a frood who knows where his towel's at! :D

Thanks to the both of you! I'm happy that you take an interest in the mix. It took quite a while and endells pain to the ears to go through those Giga-piles of 90s trash with only so much as the occasional ray of hope in between. [/self-pity] Ah, wth, it WAS a bit fun, too. :)

I should add, maybe, that the tracklist is quite "Teuto-centric", i.e., I chose the tracks based on their popularity in Germany at the time, and lots of the tracks contain German "lyrics", a.k.a., samples.

[polar_action]

This did make me smile...

"Everybody knew Eurodance was a plague. And everybody danced along anyway.

Listen to a mix of some of the most abominable, yet perversely seducing, electronic gems from the early to mid-90s:"


:)

[stimpee]

Fuck me, what an awful mix. Or rather, im sure the mixing from track to track is impeccable. But i'd rather drink paint than listen to this. I lived through this once and the scars are only just healing. This has no ironic / kitsch value for me. Just pain. If this is a cry for help you just have to say, and we'll send you some decent music.

Call me a music snob if you like but you have to draw the line somewhere.

[Leon]

Although I find the music awful, I grew up with it so this mix is pure nostalgia. But I can't listen to it more than once, and I skip regularly :P

[King of Snake]

Fuck me, what an awful mix. Or rather, im sure the mixing from track to track is impeccable. But i'd rather drink paint than listen to this. I lived through this once and the scars are only just healing. This has no ironic / kitsch value for me. Just pain. If this is a cry for help you just have to say, and we'll send you some decent music.

Call me a music snob if you like but you have to draw the line somewhere.

You sir, are a music snob.
You know who else was a music snob?

HITLER!!!

[froopy seal]

Thanks for the, err, praise, guys. Nostalgia is what I had in mind, too. And maybe there's even one or two songs which... No, no, no, stupid thought! Stupid! Pull yourself together, man!

Fuck me, what an awful mix. Or rather, im sure the mixing from track to track is impeccable. But i'd rather drink paint than listen to this. I lived through this once and the scars are only just healing. This has no ironic / kitsch value for me. Just pain. If this is a cry for help you just have to say, and we'll send you some decent music.

Call me a music snob if you like but you have to draw the line somewhere.You miserable old music snob! ;) In fact, I regard that thumbs-down as a confirmation that I hit the nail right on the head. :D

However, maybe that cry-for-help theory of yours isn't that far off the mark, Dr. Steve...

[froopy seal]

You sir, are a music snob.
You know who else was a music snob?

HITLER!!!Nooooooeeeeesssssss! You, you, you... hater! The "SS" on his jacket even stood for "super smooth" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng6f1rOz-_E).

[stimpee]

Sorry, nothing to do with Hitler. Nothing to do with nostalgia. This brainless drivel was awful then and it still is. Age doesnt always improve things, and this is a fine example of that.

You can't polish a turd.

I praise your nerves and ears for having the strength to listen to this rubbish in order that other masochistic fools can also indulge in self hurt.

I do see merit in the videos for these songs because they are so bad, but only when you play other music instead of the original tracks over the top. Then you can indulge in nostalgia for bad music without having yours ears bleed.

[King of Snake]

age certainly hasn't improved you, you miserable old twat


:p

[Leon]

Haha, he said turd.

[froopy seal]

Haha, he said turd."You think my name is 'Turk Turkleton'?"

[froopy seal]

Sorry, nothing to do with Hitler. Nothing to do with nostalgia. This brainless drivel was awful then and it still is. Age doesnt always improve things, and this is a fine example of that.

You can't polish a turd.

I praise your nerves and ears for having the strength to listen to this rubbish in order that other masochistic fools can also indulge in self hurt.

I do see merit in the videos for these songs because they are so bad, but only when you play other music instead of the original tracks over the top. Then you can indulge in nostalgia for bad music without having yours ears bleed.But isn't nostalgia always afflicted with self-hurt? *interrogative philosopher's stare*

I feel I must emphasise that I really do like some of the tunes. But then, they fell into my period of the awakening of a musical interest, and I did like them back in the day. So, for me, it is nostalgia with positive connotations.

I guess I'm a backward-looking turd polisher now.

[Leon]

"You think my name is 'Turk Turkleton'?"

That's from Scrubs right :)

[King of Snake]

btw what did you use to make this mix and where did you get the tracks?
a technical thing: the sound is quite glitchy in places (probably a timestretching artifact) which makes it kind of annoying to listen to to be quite honest.

[stimpee]

I guess I'm a backward-looking turd polisher now.you might say that, i couldnt possibly comment.
the sound is quite glitchy in places (probably a timestretching artifact) which makes it kind of annoying to listen to to be quite honest.I think its not the glitchyness that makes it annoying. I'm rather disappointed in you. I thought you had better taste in music ;)

/miserable old twat.

[King of Snake]

haha well nothing wrong with Snap-Rhythm is a Dancer or Haddaway-What is Love at least but it needed a bit more stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjKlFZxTDPw

or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWAX29dk3e0


and of course this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CzDfKXQEiY

[froopy seal]

That's from Scrubs right :)Exactly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co_rJCCWXQ4). Great series, isn't it. :)

[froopy seal]

haha well nothing wrong with Snap-Rhythm is a Dancer or Haddaway-What is Love at least but it needed a bit more stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjKlFZxTDPw

or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWAX29dk3e0


and of course this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CzDfKXQEiYTrue, Wonderful Days should have been in there. How could I omit it??? Maybe for a second vol., there's still some tunes out there...

[froopy seal]

btw what did you use to make this mix and where did you get the tracks?
a technical thing: the sound is quite glitchy in places (probably a timestretching artifact) which makes it kind of annoying to listen to to be quite honest.You are, of course, right, and I noticed as well, but couldn't correct all the timestretching artifacts because I'm a n00b.

I made it with the, err, demo version of Live. The problem is probably caused by the shabby source files which are usual-quality MP3s (i.e., 128+ kbit/s) from 90s CD compilations. Strangely, different parts of the mix sound differently glitchy - but not altogether consistent with the amount of warping. Another funny thing is that the mix sounds most awful in Live, best as a .wav in Audacity, and somewhere in between as an MP3 in the website player.

Do you have any suggestions for proper artifact correction, KoS?

P.S.: Luckily, my friends don't have your ears, so they didn't complain. Also, the party's general sound level might have helped.

[King of Snake]

well the main thing you have to keep in mind if you're mixing in Live it to set the warp mode for the tracks to either Complex or Repitch.
Repitch is best since it doesn't degrade the quality or introduce any artifacts, but it works just a like a record player so if you speed a tune up or slow it done too much from it's original tempo it will sound pitched too low or too high.
Complex mode will keep the pitch as it was in the original regardless of what the tempo is, but it does tend to make the sound a bit soft and "digital" although it shouldn't introduce any real glitchy artifacts like you might get at the other modes (beats or tones)

[Camiel]

well the main thing you have to keep in mind if you're mixing in Live it to set the warp mode for the tracks to either Complex or Repitch.
Repitch is best since it doesn't degrade the quality or introduce any artifacts, but it works just a like a record player so if you speed a tune up or slow it done too much from it's original tempo it will sound pitched too low or too high.
Complex mode will keep the pitch as it was in the original regardless of what the tempo is, but it does tend to make the sound a bit soft and "digital" although it shouldn't introduce any real glitchy artifacts like you might get at the other modes (beats or tones)

But does the demo version of Live feature those algorithms?

[King of Snake]

the demo version should be exactly the same as the normal version, it's just time limited.
I think even the Lite version has all the warping algorithms.

[froopy seal]

the demo version should be exactly the same as the normal version, it's just time limited.
I think even the Lite version has all the warping algorithms.That's what it said on the website at least, everything should be in there.

Thanks for the hints, KoS, I'll check out that Complex/Repitch thingy.

[froopy seal]

It was a lot easier than I thought: With a single click, I changed the Warp Mode from Beats (the default option) to Re-Pitch for all tracks except "There Is A Party", which I set to Complex warping because Senor BoBo sounded much too squeaky, instead of boyishly cheesy.

Btw, I find your assessment that Complex mode makes a track sound "digital" and soft very appropriate. But then, Eurodance MP3s aren't exactly the most valuable source material to begin with...

Thanks again for the explanations and pointing me in the right direction, KoS! Would you mind giving it another listen?
http://www.kraasbackje.com/2010/01/17/everybody-was-euro-dancing/